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What kind of graphics card should I get?

I play games quite often on my PS4, mostly fighting games, and I was wanting to get into streaming and making better YouTube videos so I bought a cheap computer that I could use to do that. However, it turns out that the one I bought can't handle streaming all that well. I was told that upgrading the graphics card would fix this problem but I'm not sure which kind I should get for the computer I have. My computer is a HP Compaq 8200 Elite CMT PC. It has a 320w power supply. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Stream

If you want to game and stream from the same machine you will need some machine muscle.

This can get expensive.

Do run that speccy as Kees asked and post the link it shows.

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I'll be gaming on my PS4

I'm not going to be playing games on this computer. I mainly just want to use it to stream and capture my PS4 gameplay. I can sorta stream to twitch with it already. However once things start moving a lot on the screen the stream will sometimes start getting very choppy, making it unbearable for my viewers. I posted the Speccy link above but here it is again: http://speccy.piriform.com/results/qq3OCf1ZuJggUtB25cAIxJX

So far the only graphics card that I've found that might work is the Gigabyte Geforce GTX 1050 Ti OC Low Profile 4GB GDDR5 128 Bit PCI-E Graphic Card (GV-N105TOC-4GL). However, I just want to make sure it's actually compatible with my computer before I just buy it. Of course, if anyone has a better graphics card in mind I would greatly appreciate that as well. I'm slowly learning more about how these things work but I'm still pretty new. Thank you for all the help!

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Ram

I think you have the ram in the wrong slots.

Dig up a manual and find the proper slots to enable dual channel.

After that's done post another speccy and test your streaming.

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Thanks for the Speccy.

The problem with capture is deep. You have a very dated PC and the 2400 may not be up to the task of capture, compress and writing to the capture file. It definitely doesn't have the chops to do real time streaming unless we pull back to potato quality 480p or less. I doubt a GPU will fix this PC.

-> DO START BY FIXING YOUR MEMORY ISSUE. Bob noted it and I see that as well. You lost 10% to a lot more performance just by that issue. So what else can we do even though I think this is not the right machine for the job?

1. Get the RAM into dual channel mode.
2. Read https://www.cnet.com/forums/discussions/im-upgrading-some-old-iron-what-would-you-like/ where I update some old iron. Turns out I could easily support the 1060. The 1050 Ti results are here as well.

EVEN SO. Let's carry on noting this https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core2-Quad-Q9300-vs-Intel-Core-i5-2400/m832vs803

That is, your 2400 is better than my C2Q. Still wish it was the 2500. Moving on.

3. You MUST optimize what you have. Ideas follow.
a) Disable this: https://www.howtogeek.com/224981/how-to-stop-windows-10-from-uploading-updates-to-other-pcs-over-the-internet/
b) Dump Skype: https://www.howtogeek.com/284864/how-to-stop-skype-from-running-in-the-background-on-windows-10/
c) Discord? Can it go?
d) Ondrive? Do you use that? https://www.howtogeek.com/225973/how-to-disable-onedrive-and-remove-it-from-file-explorer-on-windows-10/
e) Zune? Do you use that? Find the word Zune at https://www.howtogeek.com/224798/how-to-uninstall-windows-10s-built-in-apps-and-how-to-reinstall-them/

ALL THIS is about maximizing what you have.

-> FULL STOP <-
Get the RAM issue resolved and clean up the PC as above and then re-test. It should be better. The 1050 Ti will help but given the old CPU I worry it will be the bottleneck at 1080p capture. Try 720p since few run the youtube video fullscreen.

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Done.

I finished doing all of the things on the list except getting rid of Discord. I'd prefer to keep it if at all posible. But if it's causing too big of a problem I don't mind getting rid of it. I also fixed the RAM issue. Here is the new Speccy: http://speccy.piriform.com/results/paBTX87q6QpLKiaLzjKmh8F
Thank you for informing me!

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Will check it out.

Bear in mind I'm looking for any possible optimization to wring out the last bit of performance before we move to new hardware required. Discord shouldn't be a big load but again, I looked at this as let's get it clean as we can get it.

If I respond it's because something new came up or I thought of something else. With the RAM corrected installed and the little items cleaned up, did it help? If not, we are indeed looking at the machine being the bottleneck and it's doing the best it can.

-> Some game capture systems use hardware to compress. As you sure your capture is on the best USB it supports? Sometimes you find it's just on USB 2.x and it must be on USB 3.x.

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Hopefully it's right this time

Sorry for the delay. I had to go to work shortly after my last reply. I believe I've now unistalled everything you listed if I had it, including Discord. Here's the new Speccy if you don't mind double checking; http://speccy.piriform.com/results/UzlML53EoObURmOsa3KSzYi

I'm very new to this so I have much to learn. Also the capture card I'm using is the Elgato HD60 Pro. I'm hoping that's what you were referring to at the end. So it's installed in one of the PCIE slots.

Thank you for being patient with me!

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Looks pretty clean.

Still see Discord but the only reason I put it on the list is to reclaim every last CPU cycle and memory to give the capture system all that we can.

This is all about trying to avoid a hardware upgrade and it appears we have done what we can with my method. Now that I know what vid capture system you have I can see what others are writing about host PC requirements.

I don't see any mention of capture settings but for youtube 720p should be ample.

-> Down under System Process there are still a lot of connections but I can't pin down what they are. You should find these and if you can reduce these since these connections can randomly cause CPU use not relevant to vid capture.

https://www.howtogeek.com/98601/easily-monitor-your-computers-internet-connection-activity/ uses a command that may shed light on what apps are using those connections.

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This PC didn't meet Elgato's min specs.

The CPU missed the mark so I think I was right to look for every possible CPU cycle.
http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4670T-vs-Intel-Core-i5-2400 compares the slowest i5 that I saw Elgato list for CPUs. Even with a much lower clock rate on the 4670T it still wins all but one test.

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i5-4670T-vs-Intel-Core-i5-2500 seems to get us there with all but one test lost. The rest are too close to call IMO.

Check your motherboard to see if it supports a faster i5.

-> Now back to optimizing what you have.

1. If you can, change the capture to 720p or if you must have 1080p drop to 30FPS.
2. Unplug the DVD drive. Not needed for capture work.
3. Find out what the IP connections are in the Speccy report and reduce those too.
4. Change the HDD to SSD. You can gain back delays right here.
5. Get a GPU. This will offload the onboard graphics and speed up memory access too.

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Skype still there.

Also the Windows Update Sharing might still be enabled. It's best for "work" machines to not share updates. It can cause hard to explain frame drops etc.

Check that Skype and the WU update feature.

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You're almost there

You've followed the excellent suggestions from BOB__BI and R Profitt to optimize your PC's performance, especially reinstalling the RAM in the correct slots and disabling or uninstalling unneeded apps and processes. The PC should be running better now. One more tip: go to Power Options and select High Performance. This ensures the cpu and RAM run at peak performance. (You may even be able to set Ultimate Performance depending on your exact version of Windows.)

After that, the biggest remaining bottleneck is NOT your Core i5-2400 cpu. The biggest bottleneck is definitely the onboard Intel HD graphics. Go ahead and install the GTX 1050Ti graphics card. It's a good card for 1080p gaming and has vastly, VASTLY more muscle for the streaming job compared to Intel HD 2000 Graphics. Your PC's power supply has plenty of power for adding the G-card. You also need an SSD. A good quality 120GB SSD can be had for as little as $30. "Clone" your Existing Windows system onto the SSD to make the PC faster, more sponsive (or you can do a fresh install of Windows if preferred). Youtube has plenty of video tutorials on how to do it.

Do these two things - graphics card + SSD - and your PC will certainly be able to stream smoothly at 720p (which looks good on Youtube), and it will probably even stream OK at 1080p.

I've converted several HP and Lenovo PCs equipped with the Intel Core i5-2400 into gaming PCs by minimizing unnnecessary apps & processes, then adding a GTX or 1050Ti. Most new games can run smoothly at Medium detail @1080p, while a few need to be run at 720p. You should be able to capture and stream your PS4 gaming, no problem.

The worst case scenario is that it works, but after a while you want to upgrade the PC. Well, you still have a nice little graphics card and SSD you can put in the next PC if desired. Sounds like a win either way!

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Thank you!

Thank you so much! I've ordered them both and they should be arriving sometime tomorrow so we'll see how everything works out then. Even if it doesn't work, you've all taught me so much and I really appreciate it!

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