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Aug 8, 2019 7:54AM PDT
ICE arrests 680 undocumented workers at Mississippi food processing plants

U.S. immigration authorities arrested nearly 700 people at seven agricultural processing plants across Mississippi on Wednesday in what federal officials said could be the largest worksite raid in a single state.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) said in a statement they detained about 680 people who were working illegally at the plants. They said they also seized business records as part of a federal criminal investigation.

Tom Super, spokesman for the National Chicken Council, an industry group, said meat processing companies do their best to hire legal workers.


Any American chicken pluckers out there looking for work?

The price of chicken will go through the roof?

How does THAT work...people(illegal immigrants) just show up one morning and start work without being hired by the AMERICAN COMPANY?

Any chance these AMERICAN COMPANIES will be charged?

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My bet.
Aug 8, 2019 8:16AM PDT

Some lawyers and others will remain employed for years. I heard that one lawyer was still working cases from a raid in the same area from 2009.

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(NT) Like the plotline of Bleak House?
Aug 8, 2019 3:42PM PDT
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Blacks and Students
Aug 8, 2019 8:18AM PDT

They used to work those jobs when I was younger. Many blacks depended on such jobs for their living down South. Poor students who wanted a college education would do summer job work at such places to raise money for their tuitions. Now those jobs are taken by illegals invading across our border.

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"invading". Interesting word.
Aug 8, 2019 7:42PM PDT

Usually refers to an event that's organized and hostile, even warlike.
A patriotic citizen, confronted by it, would naturally take up the fight against it.
The danger is of coming under the sway of demagogues- with every good intention, of course.

Not us, though, James. Our philosophy is stamped on the coinage. Right?

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And you don't see the
Aug 9, 2019 4:50AM PDT

caravans as organized? Even Mexico stated a while back that they were hostile about it.

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(NT) Yeah, and I failed to spot the gun turrets.
Aug 9, 2019 6:42AM PDT
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didn't see gun turrets
Aug 9, 2019 4:10PM PDT

during riots over the decades either, yet it was criminal, and stores were "invaded" and "robbed", resulting in many also losing their jobs and income till or never when the stores came back to the areas.

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Riots?
Aug 10, 2019 7:43AM PDT

Relevance?

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You can't see it?!
Aug 10, 2019 8:46AM PDT

People doing what's criminal and govt letting them get away with it, no penalty. For rioters, no jail time, no retribution to the stores vandalized. For border jumpers, no retribution for cost of sending them back, and for many not even being sent back. Meanwhile those legally making purchases in stores, finding they've instead been wiped out of goods from rioters, and those waiting on permission to immigrate, finding their turn for that delayed by all the illegals who ran to the front of the line.

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Caravans
Aug 9, 2019 7:02AM PDT

I don't see a problem as long as they show up at a legal check point and enter the country legally.

That's not an invasion.

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tell that to the Serbs
Aug 9, 2019 4:11PM PDT

and the uncontrolled immigration that happened into Kosovo over years till finally even our deluded Bill Clinton bombed the rightful rulers of Kosovo in favor of Muslims who had been murdering Yugoslavian police there.

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I'm talking about the US
Aug 9, 2019 11:58PM PDT

If and immigrant shows up at a border check point and request asylum and they pass the asylum test they are in.

It's up to congress to set a limit on this.

That's not an invasion it's what congress wants.

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... and your ignorance of the Balkans, also,
Aug 10, 2019 7:45AM PDT

is appalling.
And- of course- irrelevant.

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You seem the most ignorant
Aug 10, 2019 9:04AM PDT

concerning it. I thought you were old enough to remember it. Perhaps you should read past the spin to just glean what actually was done there.

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I read it as it happened.
Aug 10, 2019 12:28PM PDT

Still happening. They're still finding mass graves of Muslim civilians killed by Serb and Croat military. Both nominally Christian countries.
I wouldn't use the Balkans to support my beliefs if I were you.

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you always twist things don't you?
Aug 10, 2019 12:57PM PDT

but that's the nature of your doctrines. I never said they support my beliefs. I pointed out how failure to deal with a border issue earlier, ended up causing a war later, which we then jumped into, and they lost what had been their homeland area, to invaders, which previously they'd failed to control. Failure to properly control borders can lead to later conflicts. As for borders, even YOU know God Himself assigned borders around countries, particularly Israel as Joshua lead the Hebrews into Caanan to secure it for themselves. Argue that one with Jehovah, OK?

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Re: blacks and students
Aug 9, 2019 8:51AM PDT

Did you ever read John Grishams book "A painted house"? It's atypical because it isn't about lawyers and legal issues. It's about Mexicans coming to the USA in the summer of 1952 to work in the cotton crop. No students doing that kind of work in that book, if I remember well. I had the impression it was a quite common thing.

Knowing only his legal thrillers, I was pleasantly surprised by the book when I read it.

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H-2A agricultural guest worker program enacted by Congress
Aug 9, 2019 9:45AM PDT

in 1952 and more widely used when the Bracero program ended in 1964.

That means that these workers came in LEGALLY with work visas......and left when the season was over. They could come back regularly for various seasons throughout the year but each time had to leave and return for the next one. They weren't allowed to stay indefinitely, and most jobs were along the southern border. Then it expanded to other States and the illegals began surging in. By 1984 we had over 4M illegals which is when the Dems screwed Reagan on a deal where he gave them all amnesty first and they reneged on the deal after they got what they wanted. Now the number is closer to 20M and with over 60M dead American citizen babies, they need to replace that population, which is where we are now because Dems can't regain and hold power knowing that the millennials are also getting screwed by them and will one day wake up and their next generation won't be here to vote their way anymore. Not sure if you'll remember the saying "when you are young, you are a liberal....when you get older, you become a Conservative".,,,, actual quote from Winston Churchill: Winston Churchill If you're not a liberal at twenty you have no heart, if you're not a conservative at forty you have no brain.

Some have changed the wording to this: If you’re not a socialist before you’re twenty-five, you have no heart; if you are a socialist after twenty-five, you have no head. If you aren’t a liberal when you’re young, you have no heart, but if you aren’t a middle-aged conservative, you have no head. Political terminology has changed over time, and it differs in distinct locales.

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Replacement. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Aug 9, 2019 9:56AM PDT
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Resuming.
Aug 9, 2019 10:00AM PDT

But there's a solution, two in fact.

"Asked in a May interview how whites could regain demographic dominance, ShieldWall’s leader, Billy Roper, told Reuters that promoting a higher birth rate among white people is helpful, but “bullets” would be faster. Roper said his organization doesn’t advocate anything illegal but that he “couldn’t disagree” with the goals of the mass shooter who murdered 51 people at two Muslim mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand in March. That killer, too, had cited the replacement theory as a motive."

Hatred has been always a great motivator.

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White supremacists are nut cases
Aug 9, 2019 10:26AM PDT

and fortunately they are far and few between......unlike the Dems/liberals who fully embrace not only killing babies and encourage it, but make it difficult financially for women/families of ALL colors to AFFORD to have any. The 'feminist' movement encourages women to forego having a family and focus on careers instead and they stupidly bought into that and ridicule women who choose to stay at home and raise their children instead of having 'latchkey' kids unless they absolutely have to work. They discourage having fathers live in the house by offering much more money and benefits to those who live alone with their kids depriving them of any male figures they can respect and learn from. Far too many millennial males end up dead or in jail and won't be around to vote. The American citizen birthrate has declined drastically over the years.

https://theweek.com/articles/642303/americas-birth-rate-now-national-emergency

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/13/states-birth-rate-2017/

And yet.... https://www.amren.com/news/2018/10/births-to-legal-and-illegal-immigrants-in-the-u-s/ That makes another 300K US citizens automatically because of a stupid interpretation by the left of our Constitution. Which really needs to be clarified finally since it ONLY pertained to Native Americans at first and then was expanded to include African-Americans (slaves and their generations to come).

Do you see a pattern here, JP? We will ALWAYS have crazies....we DON'T have to have manipulators of society because of an agenda.

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Your pattern is selectivity.
Aug 9, 2019 3:23PM PDT

You say "The American citizen birthrate has declined drastically over the years."
But your Breitbart link talks about WHITE population replacement.
Non-Whites are not citizens? In fact, that's the gist of much of the alt-right screed. Hitler was more honest in stating his own beliefs. Non-Aryans were subhuman.

My government says that God is not partial, but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him. So, acceptability to God is the key, not men or White men or Toni.

Six and a half years ago our organization's Awake! magazine had a lengthy article on immigration. Worldwide distribution in almost 200 languages.

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201302/immigration-dreams-realities/

And we practice what we preach.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/activities/help-community/jehovahs-witnesses-australia-help-detainees

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/watchtower-simplified-october-2016/do-not-forget-kindness-to-strangers

https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20000115/Offering-a-Message-of-Comfort-in-Italy/#?insight[search_id]=f735f83f-0268-480f-8c64-c900edf623c3&insight[search_result_index]=11

You won't read these but James will, to root out heresies. Perhaps others. Practical information from the organization of the God of whom it was said, he "IS love". And, those who try to apply the information to their own lives will at least be practicing the Golden Rule. That's supposed to be a good thing.

I like The Week magazine. I've never read Gobry before, but he seems thoughtful. He bends over backward to 'be fair' to all sides, so the reading seems wasted eventually. I looked at a couple of his articles on the Bible and Christianity, both of which he gets wrong at key points. Another day, perhaps. At least he (a French citizen) knows which racial and ethnic groups qualify for citizenship here.

As usual, you present many of your opinions as established facts.

I'll check the links after posting.

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Links OK
Aug 9, 2019 3:27PM PDT

The "Kindness to Strangers" is a study article from our study edition of the Watchtower. IOW it's what we learn each week when we study the Bible by means of the magazine.

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the nations, the races, explained in NT
Aug 9, 2019 4:25PM PDT

It begins AFTER the flood, so those who go back to Adam and Eve go back too far. Jewish certain writings say Noah's children were red, white, and black. Another writing of theirs claim the earth was divided in regional areas, each thirds for Shem, Ham, and Japeth. Later the Hamites took over the Canaan area which was Shem's assigned area, till Moses and the Hebrews drove them back out. Japheth was given the lands to the north and westward from Ararat, which by extension would eventually include North America.

Let's also not forget God's action at the Tower of Babel, to disperse the people and create the nations and races in disparate parts of the earth.

Finally, the most obvious was the single nation & people he chose to bring Messiah to the Earth through.

Acts 17:26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.

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Adam and Eve going back too far?
Aug 10, 2019 12:43PM PDT

My Bible begins with Genesis 1, not 9. Yours?
"out of one man". Not named. On the evifence (Gen 1, not 9) Paul and I identify him as Adam. "The first man Adam" we read and write. Yours?
My Bible gives Adam and Eve a command to fill the earth with offspring
at Gen 1:28. Repeated to Noah at Gen 9:17. Yours?
Topic covered scripturally. No need to repeat.

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And, as usual, you, like JP, ignore
Aug 10, 2019 5:18AM PDT

90% of my post because ONE sentence in a link 'proves' your point???? Typical liberal crap from you. You can't debate so you divert and deflect....and in your case, you revert back to jw garbage and call it 'case closed'.

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RE:ignore 90% of my post
Aug 10, 2019 12:35PM PDT
ignore 90% of my post because ONE sentence in a link 'proves' your point????

That's BECAUSE the ONE sentence is the topic of the thread....the other 90% of your post is "divert and deflect" on your part.
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Nope...you attempt to nitpick
Aug 10, 2019 4:53PM PDT

like a good loyal liberal would do. Have you been taking lessons where something is said out of context in order to make the case YOU want?

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RE:we DON'T have to have manipulators of society because of
Aug 10, 2019 8:05AM PDT
we DON'T have to have manipulators of society because of an agenda.

don't "have to have"?...But you do?

manipulators of society?

And yet GROUPS(with certain agendas/beliefs) back(financially) certain political parties/individuals that pass OR won't pass certain laws that affect how society IS.

These groups shall be known as manipulators?

they don't "manipulate"? ......BUT not for lack of trying?
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They are called lobbyists for a reason
Aug 10, 2019 8:13AM PDT

they should all go away no matter what party they associate with. However, since MOST of the manipulative money comes from both coasts and they are nearly always liberal, guess who manipulates the most and has 98% of the media doing their bidding?

We don't need Russia or China to sway elections when the Dem party does it every day (even if it means breaking laws) and gets away with it.....until now.