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What features/specs should be in a sub $750 home av system?

Sep 17, 2008 12:04AM PDT

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For that price range see sellers such as jr.com for best
Sep 17, 2008 3:15AM PDT

prices on HTIBs (Home Theater In a Box.) Often Onkyo is the make with the greatest bang for the buck.

Saying that, I also feel such a convenient solution is a temporary fix for those who grow as a discriminating listener. They will not remain satisfied. HTIBs try to incorporate too much convenience in a package destined to contain some fatal shortcoming.

As a minor audiophile of 45 years standing, along with like minded persons, advocate a quest of permanent quality. Many get entranced with interesting sales hype surrounding receivers. That is putting things backwards. Selecting the speaker(s) most liked for your price point is key as that is where most all the obvious sound difference is. Speaker brands have their own distinctive sound character. What best suits your ears is likely not what I would select for myself.

One can start with just two speakers & add on as money trickles in over time. Power source needs for most are actually rather modest. Receivers have so much more performance & value than they used to be. So, actually one should spend time learning enough to determine their needs & wants in their own A/V setting.

So check out the HTIBs of Onkyo & others offered by places like jr.com.

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Specs should almost not even be read, as far as receivers...
Sep 17, 2008 2:48PM PDT

they need way to much salt, depending on what you're reading.

As for features, only you can answer that. I do believe that the receiver choice should be based primarily on features, for most people.

I have very, very, very, very modest needs in features. I personally want power more than features.

Features that I need among anything over $300:

- matrix bitstreams of hidef for 7.1 use
- preouts so that I attach my outboard amp

Yep. That's it.

Features that I'd like

- flexible bass mgmt.
- Audyssey MultiEQ

Yep. That's it.

Now, IIRC, you're bummed b/c you can't handle lossless codecs. I would just use the optical connection, and make sure the player is set correctly. Then make sure you choose the correct format in the disc.

If $750 is the hard limit, I would upgrade speakers, and keep them to easy to drive versions. And the sub.

Do the receiver last.

If I was in your position, with the same current set, and $750 to upgrade, and I wasn't allowed to upgrade anything for 2 years, for instance, I would get the cheapest receiver I could get my hands on as used. Id blow all of it on speakers and sub.

Probably $40 for receiver. Id probably do DIY for the sub because I just won't get anything I like within the budget. Whatever is left over for the speakers. If that only means two speakers, thats fine. Id get rid of the center, and use the current surrounds for now. If I could get front 3 even better... but if not, Id go "phantom" by telling receiver center is not connected.

God honest truth, I swear.

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oh duh
Sep 17, 2008 3:05PM PDT

keep that $40. you have a receiver already. just use optical.

or, just keep your system that you have I suppose. Its the speakers that matter. and the sub. Then where you place it all. Then where you sit. Receiver is way down the importance chain. I even think room treatments are more important than receiver choice.

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Looking at cnets reviews of speaker systems (not htib),
Sep 18, 2008 3:28PM PDT

there are many $1000+ speaker sets, but two Onkyo sets seem highly rated, too: SKS-HT240 and SKS-HT540 $340 and $230, respectively.) Both are a few years old, but are still rated highly. I have a highly limited knowledge of speakers, but I think I read that speaker technology hasn't really changed much. So, compared to speaker systems that cost thousands of dollars, are these reliable? Or are they only good in close relation to their pricetag? Thanks again for your input.

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Only compared to their price tag
Sep 18, 2008 4:18PM PDT

I want to paraphrase someone else's quote, yeah, it was getting a bit argumentative... but anyways

"Driver technology is advancing every year, and it's not guys like you who are doing it. By guys like you I mean people who think that it's all pretty much been done and everything is just a repackaging job now. Companies like Harman International are using world-class facilities and technology to drive the art and science of sound forward.

Many of these applications first show up in professional products like JBL Vertec or in high end consumer models like Revel Ultima2 or JBL Everest II. Eventually these technologies come down to mid and entry level products as the R&D and manufacturing cost are paid down.

Of course, at the same time newer, more advanced transducers are being modeled to be introduced in the top professional and consumer gear, so the cycle continues.

No matter how many times you write it, I don't believe you can recreate the resources and environment to do this. What has changed in the past 20 years?
-speaker cone composition
-speaker cone design
-speaker surround methods and materials
-spider construction
-magnet design
-magnet materials
-voice coil winding

to name some of the more obvious."

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I've got the SKS-HT240 and think it's a great bargain...
Sep 19, 2008 12:40AM PDT

It's weakness is it's sub but I think that set is a steal for a small room. You can probably get it delivered from JR Music World for around 340.00 including shipping. I didn't read close enough to see your room size but I've got it in about a 14x14x10h room and love it. I recently listened to the more expensive Mirage Prestige set and it didn't sound nearly as good. The 240's aren't exactly big speakers but compared to the Mirage's and Bose's they are. I think it's a case of size matters.

Rusty

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if that's $340
Sep 19, 2008 4:40AM PDT

you can read my thoughts juci that I posted yesterday in a $400 thread. Every increase in $50 will help a lot.

I started all of this insanity with an Onkyo HTIB. I LOVED it . . . for about half a year. $430. Its at my brother's place now.

The best thing about it was that it gave me time to figure out what I was going to upgrade, and how. Because, yeah, center speaker was too distortive, too sibilant, and I came to realize the sub was a one-note farting machine, at least in my setup. Then again, if I never bought the thing, I wouldn't know how fun discrete surround sound is, and I'd be a lot richer now.

So, I think if I had a hard budget of $400, I would try:

- pair of Behringer Truths at $130-160 (alternative: pair of KRK ST6 monitors $200)

- something really cheap, and used from craigslist or ebay, for surrounds duty. $20-40

If shopping well, that would be about $160ish in so far, and I'd use the remaining budget on a DIY sub. I never built a speaker, only the riser for the HT, but that's what I would do if this was my hard limit at this point in time. Even if DIY is an impossibility, you can still afford a Dayton sub as it is. Perhaps even with money in pocket.

YMMV. The above setup is phantom. IMO, if you are sitting dead-on to display, phantom can often sound a lot better, especially given free space with less reflections and comb filtering that can occur when sitting shoved in a cabinet, or even top of shelf. JMO. Then again, if center is a must, Im pretty sure the KRKs are sold individually, and the upright bookshelf is much superior to 99% of horizontal MTM center speakers. That's $300, and $100 left over. Maybe you can find some used speakers for the rears at $15-20, and maybe its possible to build a decent DIY for $80.

Just some ideas to throw out. Well, its definitely what I would be thinking . . .

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wow, I just read that someone
Sep 19, 2008 5:36AM PDT

got the 805 as refurbed from shoponkyo last week for $425 !!!!!

it just arrived today.

man, that's a deal.

SHEESH.

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(NT) oh wrong thread, OOPS, sowwie
Sep 19, 2008 5:37AM PDT