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What can cause corrosion of RAM?

May 20, 2014 12:54PM PDT

12 months ago I purchased a custom built PC from MSY Technology. After months of crashes and errors it stopped working completely. It went in for repair and I was told the RAM had corroded and it was replaced. It has been working fine since then but today, three months after the new ram was installed it died again. I took it back down to MSY and found out the new ram had also corroded. They told me it could be humidity ect, but I know this is not the issue, also I have other computers working fine in this room. What are other causes of RAM corrosion? Could the computer have power supply issues or be built incorrectly?

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buy some value ram direct from Kingston
May 20, 2014 1:25PM PDT

do you know what brand of RAM it had before? What is the motherboard that's in it? Should say right on top of it, probably near the slots. Also when it boots, look into the System icon in Control Panel and maybe it will say.

Is "corroded" the word they used? The only time I saw RAM that was actually corroded was during time bad caps were leaking on or near them, but any motherboard in past year should be past that problem time, especially being that new. They wouldn't be "corroded" unless some sort of moisture with an electrolyte (or a salt) in it was getting on them. If a second set of RAM actually corroded, then someone didn't clean the DIMM sockets out properly when the first RAM was replaced.


of interest.
http://www.zdnet.com/msy-technology-hit-by-200k-accc-fine-1339336380/

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More details...
May 20, 2014 1:44PM PDT

Thank for your reply. The original ram was Patriot DDDR3 2x 8GB PC3-10600 1333MHz in a ASUS M5 A97 R2.0 motherboard. The second lot of ram was replaced today so I don't know it's specs other than it was more expensive then the first lot. It definitely was corroded and they showed me the damage when they pulled it out today, it's not very visible you would have to be looking for it as I missed it when I was doing my own troubleshooting. I know the environment has no moisture or salt and I am not near the coast. So the DIMM sockets do seem like the most plausible cause. Especially since it went in three months, 9 months quicker than the first time! Wouldn't surprise me though if the MB was from the "bad cap" days lol.

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Do you have a liquid cooler...
May 20, 2014 2:06PM PDT

,,,,on the CPU? Do you have a cat? Is this a tower, on the floor or on a desk? What's the rest of the motherboard look like? Any corrosion seen on it? Any funny smells when you first turn it on and it starts warming up?

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No liquid cooler...
May 20, 2014 3:47PM PDT

just a standard fan. The fan has recently been making a terrible sound for a while after start up, but it still seemed to function correctly with no overheating. I mentioned this to MSY in case it was related but somehow I don't think they believed me and just assumed I don't know what it should sound like. I don't have a cat if you are referring to the animal and not some technical term Wink It is a tower on the floor. The MB looks fine, have opened it up and had a good look at everything and checked the capacitors for bulging or leaks ect. but everything seems clean to me. Have not noticed anything out of the ordinary as regard to smell or temp. Is it possible to have incorrect voltage and slowly fry the cards?

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check the voltage setting on rear of PSU
May 20, 2014 3:54PM PDT

It should be near where the power cord plugs in, it's usually a small red slider switch. In US should be on 110 setting.

Reason I asked about cat, and I should have mentioned dog too, I remembered another instance of corrosion and it was due to a small shitzu, should have been called a pisstzu, who'd messed up someones computer by hiking a leg and seems he piddled near it on the carpet other times. When they picked it up off the floor the bottom was rusted and corrosion was inside on the motherboard too. Any fan blowing in and it sprayed by a cat or a dog, then proverbial fertilizer through the fan on the parts inside and that will very much cause corrosion.

Where it sits, could someone have knocked over a drink onto it? A child perhaps who wiped it all up so daddy wouldn't know? That's about all I can think of for the corrosion.

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Thanks for the help
May 20, 2014 4:24PM PDT

There are no animals or kids (or adults) involved and I'm very confident no other liquids too. I think I'll just take it back for full diagnostics and demand a proper clean out of the DIMM ect to try and prevent it from happening again.

Thank you for all your help James!

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All considered
May 21, 2014 1:50AM PDT

I'd not go for a third failure. I know I'd get a new motherboard too. Do you know the make and model of the motherboard itself? Even a used motherboard pulled from a known working system would be better than what you are dealing with.

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It could still be humidity
May 20, 2014 11:38PM PDT

It could still be humidity, but rather humidity at the MSY Technology facilities. Not all repair shops are the same. I've seen some where people had an ash tray with still smoking cigarettes in the room where they stored customer computers and did the actual repairs. I've seen plenty where people just walk around carrying motherboards and other components like a book instead an ESD sensitive bit of electronics. Sometimes you'll see parts just left out in the open, stacked up on one another, instead of in individual anti-static bags, etc.

So I would say that if you have had essentially the same problem, twice, in a relatively short period of time and each time the work was done by the same company... It points pretty squarely back at the company. Maybe they got some RAM that "feel off a truck" or was "rescued" from the defect pile at some company and sold on eBay. Maybe they're taking RAM out of old systems and putting them into systems for customers. To me it sounds like this company is on the shady side, at least based on the very limited info I have to work with from your posts. Maybe it's time to take it somewhere else to get a second opinion.

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I was thinking about that this morning too
May 21, 2014 1:39AM PDT

This company seems to be in Australia, and seemed I'd read some years back about floods in certain areas there. I considered searching back to see if there was flooding where they have their manufacturing done, or near a warehouse. I can see someone drying off motherboards and then bench testing to see if they can make it out the door OK and not fail within a year's warranty period. I guess it would depend on the company, their particular insurance coverage, their honesty, how big a loss they were or not willing to take.

I know it's not good to buy a used car in the year following flooding and even outside those areas the cars can show up, being moved since everyone in the flood area is aware of the local problem and on the watch for such in the following years.

Just clean water on a motherboard can dry up and not cause problems later on, but flood water has salts in it which can lodge in tight areas, like you'd find in RAM and card slots, might not clean out as well, then corrode things later on.

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Hah, my memory served me well this time
May 21, 2014 1:43AM PDT
Adelaide floods in Australia.

Seems it's not the best place to assemble computers.

"Hey Joe, here's some more motherboards and RAM to drain and blow dry!"
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Asus, Asus, Asus
May 21, 2014 1:59AM PDT
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Wouldn't surprise me.
May 22, 2014 6:18PM PDT

Thanks, I didn't think of that possibility, it wouldn't surprise me if either the RAM or motherboard were stored and handled in less than ideal conditions. I will be definitely taking it back down for full diagnostics and getting all the parts checked thoroughly.

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I agree with James above
May 22, 2014 10:34PM PDT

I agree with James above in that I wouldn't give this place a third go at screwing things up unless there are laws similar to here, where if after a "reasonable" number (usually defined as 3) of repair attempts, they're obliged to replace the entire unit.

Take it to a third party for an independent evaluation and potentially repair.

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I know this is marked as resolved but just an idea
May 24, 2014 7:31PM PDT

You might want to put some subtle markings on the new RAM so that if for some odd reason this happens again you'd be able to look for your markings if the repair shop showed them to you. As for corrosion, here's where I'd love to see this myself under magnification and I'd also ask why just the RAM and nothing else. I'd want to know if it was deterioration of metal they were talking about. I have worked on lots of equipment that has had failures due to corrosion but these were devices that had liquids being pumped through them. For this reason, the quality of all material used had to be top notch. Corrosion is the result of many factors. Poor quality, unsuitable environment, heat, lack of proper air flow, etc. RAM can get quite hot and needs proper cooling. I don't know how many installations I've seen where air flow to RAM was obstructed due to the way cables were dressed. I'd want to see how yours was put together and if there was proper air flow in that area. I'd want to see if it was the gold contacts that were going bad. That layer is very thin and can be cut through by sharp edges in the socket maybe. This can expose the copper or whatever is being used these days on the boards. Copper develops a protective layer when exposed and that layer doesn't conduct as well. Heating and cooling cycles that take place in the sockets cause expansion and contraction that can wear away at materials not bonded. I suppose that could be what's happening...but why just the RAM? I've seen corrosion on the surface of circuit boards that creates bridging as well. The bridge connections don't need to be very solid. Rapidly changing voltage levels can induce current into anything that will carry it and this can result in all kinds of noise in sensitive circuitry.

In any event, it would be good if someone knowledgeable could inspect your corroded parts, how they were installed and offer a second opinion. I've had RAM fail testing in a box where pulling and reseating it has caused it to pass so it wouldn't be possible to know if your RAM was completely unusable when you took it in or whether a cleaning/reseating would have saved it for a time.