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When Windows 7 ends in 2020
RoboLinux is supposed to be able to run Windows7 Maybe THAT's a solution in 2020. I am guessing the team that works on RoboLinux will take care of new Printers and additions and drivers as needed.
If not, Linux has a flavor to suit everybody.
Don't mess around '
If you want to move to Apple ,go ahead but it's costly to replace the two Win 7 computers but you'll have support.
If you want to try Linux , go ahead and give it a shot but, don't install it on the HDD /SSD , create a Persistent Ubuntu USB stick using mkusb tool as James suggests here > https://linuxconfig.org/how-to-create-a-persistent-ubuntu-usb-stick-using-mkusb-tool , it should be blazing fast as it will run off off of the computers RAM , No Duel Booting !
Boo On Duel Booting off of the HDD/SSD !
Lastly , Upgrade to Win 10 as it is a FINE and in my experience ,a stable operating system and you can make it look like Win 7 with Classic Shell for free.
My 2 pennies worth...
I have been using Windows 10 since it came out
It was fine, now it is junk. I will not tolerate it anymore. I am reverting to Windows 7. As for a persistent usb, I may well make one. However, I will be installing quite a bit of software, so I am also dual booting. In fact, I am dual booting right now. The persistent usb is a wonderful idea, but it is more limited. I would love to have one to carry with me.
I am not finished with this process, but I know what I need. I just need to figure out how to go about doing it.
You can do everything
using that USB Stick that you can by installing it on the HDD/SSD
Just save everything to an external drive .
Your'e preaching to the choir as I have been taught by the BEST. James, that guy named Steven and R.Proffitt. It makes no sense to install Linux on a HDD/SSD.
I tinkered for years .... Now days a portable OS is the way to go ...
You'll figure this out as you go ......
I appreciate your enthusiasm
I do love the idea of using a usb. In fact, I will probably make up several of them in different "flavors" eventually. I am learning right now with my current setup. It makes no sense to put it on a usb and then try to figure out what I want after. I will get my experience with my dual boot desktop and then make anything I like to meet my needs.
Be prepared than
as your'e going to be having troubles eventually as changing distros and upgrading to the next version has a tendency to also change the type of Boot Rec. and sometimes lead to disaster.
Have fun with it though. It took years for me to settle into what I wanted so now it's your turn.
...however, you need to understand as well. I have different needs than you do. I am learning right now. Let me learn it. If upgrading causes problems, then I need to know what to do when that happens. As for changing distros, that is not going to happen until I have learned what I need to know. You are not me. We have different needs.
isn't that what we all do?
Makes the journey more exciting, if not always pleasant.
I did and still am
Once you've made it take it anywhere. Should boot without problems.
But may have to change boot order.
I want one (or a dozen!), but first I need to learn how to set up and use my Linux system.
plans when Windows 7 support ends?
my plan is to just keep using win7.
as win 10 is terrible with bugs n glitches.
I as an on call PC fixer like win 10 as it keeps paying me to fix it for those that use it.
But for me? I use win7 pro on 1 machine another uses win7 home. all my win7 machines work great
So why fix it?
I ran xp pro long after M$ stopped supporting it and had no troubles as I avoid using the windows browsers. which I find are all slow and are plagued with various bugs and glitches. also many attack these just because they are M$.
I ran xp until win7 proved to be very stable and just worked.
Still avoid using the MS browsers or their email as using those is asking for trouble.
firefox from mozzila works fine as does chrome [it is limited and fast becoming a problem] but chrome appears to be ok.
like some I like linux, but it is not for everyone as ppl are mouse oriented [point n click] right and left button mice are what the majority likes. and few using the keyboard for more than txt or email.
For now and until M$ creates an OS that is stable - I remain with win 7.
eventually MS will create a better OS - 10 is better than 8 and better than vista, But 10 is still not stable for the majority of users. and the MS browsers are the worst for users.
W7 a keeper
Although I work to avoid using Microsoft products, I have a couple Windows 10 machines, and I run Windows 7 using bootcamp on a Mac.
The Windows 7 install has almost 100 percent uptime. The Windows 10 machines are plain unacceptably unreliable. I use a lot of different programs, and Windows Update keeps coming in and renaming all of my audio drivers. Then it fights hard to keep me from renaming them what they are supposed to be named. Might as well have a virus than W10.
So I look at Windows 7 support ending as a good thing. No updates, no Microsoft wrecking my computer.
Of all the operating systems Microsoft has ever produced, I consider Windows 7 to be the best, with XP coming in second. People are not just being stubborn when they refuse to upgrade. They just want an OS that works. I like Windows 10, but I can't stand Microsoft. If they had not messed my computer up over and over I would probably just stay with them, but they will not leave well enough alone.
Here's how bad W10 is
They've admitted they don't always test out updates. That's how we got into the recent update that deleted users files.
W10 is it's own virus.
The reason why data was lost was because the people involved was running a beta (aka: insider) edition of Windows 10. When you are using beta version, you can lose data.
Always the users fault.
True enough - Microsoft is never at fault, always the users. I've never had a problem with a Microsoft OS that wasn't my fault - including the W10 Updates. That's my fault because I didn't use the Enterprise version for my home computer - just the pro version, That's why I try to use an OS where I don't make those mistakes.
And now that Microsoft insiders users are the problem, well, who is left to blame?
WINDOW 10 EARLY _ NG
Yeah they gave it out free _ to make users the guinea pig . When the Better version was released they threw that great price tag of $145 maybe a few dollars more or less .
Then still had updates to correct errors .
It was free as an upgrade. I know, I did it on one machine. As to "guinea pigs"
That's what windows insiders are for.
If the home users are not the "guinea pigs", then why do we get buggy updates that cause reboot loops, uninstall 3rd party software, break drivers, etc - long before their business customers get patched updates that are much more stable.
M$ doesn't care about our satisfaction because $145 from one of us is not even $0.01 of their profit. On the other hand a single business customer to M$ is equal to hundreds or even thousands of volume licenses worth hundreds of $$$ per seat.
This has been true through M$'s history. They don't sell the software, they sell the licenses.
that upgrade campaign, and M$'s numerous attempts to push it on users whether they wanted it or not. They used a lot of malware and spyware tactics to do it. I run the Enterprise edition of 7 which, fortunately for me, was ineligible to be upgraded and never received those nagware things.
I also remember reading the EULA at that time. It changed after the free upgrade offer ended and is more friendly now. During the free upgrade period the gist was that after installing Win10 M$ practically owned your computer and you continued using with their permission, and they were fully protected from liability for lost data.
You are mistaken.
Microsoft's own tech support asked me if I lost data, even though I have never used any beta Microsoft products. They said that a lot of people lost data. It was Microsoft's fault, and it happened to normal users. It had nothing to do with any beta testing.
Please don't comment when are not informed
It is really annoying, and could be misleading, when people chime in with ignorant comments like that one about it being a beta release. NOT TRUE.
All one has to do is read any of the many, many articles about how bad some of the Win 10 updates have been, so bad, in fact, MS pulled the last one and delayed it for a month - preferably BEFORE commenting.
Think before you speak/type, then you won't embarrass yourself and won't waste everyone elses time correcting you, eh?
I also think MS doesn't do too much testing
True or not, WE seem to be the ones who test these updates, and when they screw up they issue another 'update' to fix it. Most of the time, most people don't have a clue as to what these updates really do (or how they do it) anyway so Microsoft isn't held accountable.
You are correct. Microsoft admitted as much.
Even new computers hate Win 10
My wife's Lenovo crashed after updating last year. Only cost $125.00 to get fixed as system was so messed up with various files missing. Computer is now slower than it was for some reason but is still working.
I'm using an older Gateway laptop with Linux Mint 18. I was using 'win 10 free upgrade' up from Win 7 which turned out to be a big mistake. Win 7 'played nice' with Linux dual boot, Win 10 kinda worked but had a hard crash after update October 2017. I'm not prepared to copy everything from Linux Mint just to re-install Win 10 OS (it want's 'everything' before I can re-install Linux) I'm using half of hard drive until I get fed up and remove Windoze completely Microsoft can 'take a hike'
That just another irritation
I have worked in the computer field since the days of the original Windows and Window For Workgroups. It was always known in the IT Community, a clean OS install is MUCH MORE PREFERABLE than an upgrade. But then, along comes W10 and M$ is telling folks to upgrade their OS, just so they could trick them into W10.
NO to XP _ blue screen of DEATH
Most people did not have that experience
I do not like XP as much as 7, but most people who used it loved it. I do not know why you had a bad experience with it. I did not have a bad experience with Windows 10 at first, but now it is nothing but a mess.
First 18~24 months of XP had a lot of BSOD but it got better and became very stable for another 10+ yrs. I still use it every few months and it's still better than Win 10 which has far too many 'features'
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