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what a shame

by oldie and goody / November 14, 2010 2:35 AM PST
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(NT) As usual.
by EdHannigan / November 14, 2010 3:28 AM PST
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jonah and his crew?
by jonah jones / November 14, 2010 3:44 AM PST
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does that make me captain?


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by oldie and goody / November 14, 2010 4:19 AM PST
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what that makes you is not for public consumption.

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Just back from church
by JP Bill / November 14, 2010 4:29 AM PST
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on the net spewing?

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Agreed, all THREE of them ...
by Edward ODaniel / November 14, 2010 5:45 AM PST
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think they are real wits but all three of them are only half right.

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From my link
by JP Bill / November 14, 2010 5:54 AM PST
?Where did you get that writing style of yours? It annoys the hell out of me ... I ask you please, go to your new neighbourhood, get me a gun with the serial number filed off, give it to me, I will gladly pull the trigger and shoot you.?

Reminded me of your response to me when I responded to this post by you I recall you were so upset you used the term "odd" twice

I could almost picture the spittle on your keyboard.
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Since the Mods, when alerted ...
by Edward ODaniel / November 18, 2010 11:27 PM PST
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aren't concerned about threats and to use some of your own words, I'll GLADLY get "a gun with the serial number filed off" and "will gladly pull the trigger and shoot you".

Let's see if the "Mods" act any faster on this post as I will not take threats idly.

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I will not take threats idly.
by JP Bill / November 18, 2010 11:50 PM PST

I do...

AND it wasn't a threat.

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Could this group
by oldie and goody / November 14, 2010 5:55 AM PST

be part of the reason a whole bunch of old posters never come here anymore?

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Yes there is a shame
by Roger NC / November 14, 2010 12:04 PM PST
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but I seriously doubt we agree exactly on what, who, when, where, and how.

All in all, it has gone much better since the stickies were removed and all the extra rules were defaulted back to general forum policy than many expected.

Oddly, it seems to have gotten worse since the election is over. Given the partisan nature of many here, it wouldn't have been a surprise for nastiness to have come out in the last few days before the US election.

Sadly, although we made it through that point with only a few extremist posts, since then the sad old pattern, the same accusations, the same complaints, and the same battle-lines are reemerging. And everyone is always sure those they disagree with are at fault.

Tragically, is seems there is nothing new under the sun.

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amazing the
by oldie and goody / November 14, 2010 12:14 PM PST
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blinders you wear must be very strong. GoodBye

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by Roger NC / November 16, 2010 6:34 AM PST
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I only pointed out that we probably disagree.

Then I pointed out it seems to be the same old groups, and the same old attacks.

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I think she was referring to a certain group...
by EdHannigan / November 16, 2010 6:51 AM PST
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of three individuals.

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Give it up Ed.
by JP Bill / November 16, 2010 10:36 AM PST

or I'll start referring to a certain group of 3 individuals

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(NT) Goodbye?
by Roger NC / November 16, 2010 7:08 AM PST
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that's because
by James Denison / November 14, 2010 1:38 PM PST
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both sides realized the election wouldn't solve anything, just create a stalemate established till 2012 which is when things will really heat up.

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If it gets worse than 2008 and 2004
by Roger NC / November 16, 2010 6:31 AM PST
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the PTB will probably close us down completely.

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Maybe if the Mods...
by EdHannigan / November 15, 2010 12:20 AM PST
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would put a stop to stalking/trolling instead of ignoring it or worse, abetting it, hmmmm? I don't think it has anything to do with the election.

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I mostly agree, except that it seems
by drpruner / November 15, 2010 9:42 AM PST
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to be the same couple of groups that get together to bash each other- sado-maso, maybe? Happy
Don't think anyone's politics are connected with it except for use as a necessary starting point.

If I said both sets were "knee-jerk" posters would each side say of the other, "Yes, but you're half right!" ?

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You are overlooking the distinct probabililty..
by EdHannigan / November 15, 2010 10:41 AM PST

that one "side" is mostly wrong and the other "side" is mostly right. In the real world things rarely balance out equally.

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Overlooking possibilities
by Roger NC / November 16, 2010 7:06 AM PST

but everyone things someone is mostly wrong and mostly right.

And most of the arguments are things that everyone never agrees to the same standard, so it's not so easy to say one is more right than the other.

In fact, it's much more complex than that even, since even those that agree on many points never agree on all points. So for every point the lines move, and under those conditions, assigning sides of mostly wrong and mostly right is going to always be arbitrary and according to the perceptions of the one drawing the lines.

But probably every individual will pretty much agree on one thing, that those that disagree with him/her are in the mostly wrong group. The next step for some, as often evidenced in SE, is the demeaning of everyone the individual disagrees with starts.

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What's a shame....
by C1ay / November 17, 2010 2:02 AM PST
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is the change in the regulars here over time. When I joined SE it was at Ziff Davis and we had several dozen regular daily posters and several dozen regular passers-by. We had very heated political discussions and we all came back everyday. I think nearly all the mods of that era are gone now and as they've changed over time most of the regular visitors have left as well. The regular population seems to have dwindled so low at this point that the forum probably just generate the revenue to maintain it. The PTB should look at the traffic they used to have compared to now. What worked then that doesn't work now. Then again, maybe they don't care and this place is headed for a dead end train wreck anyhow.

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Possibly some valid points
by Roger NC / November 17, 2010 7:35 AM PST
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But change is inevitable, I came probably much later than you, and it's changed a lot.

I remember the heated discussions, then I remember it got more personally insulting gradually over time.

Do you think it hasn't been more "free" since the removal of the stickies and their restrictions?

I'm sure you feel discriminated against at some points, seems everyone does.

We have lost some mods and members since I been here also. Some left over differences, (bluntly) some were banned for life, others seem to have been taken out by circumstances outside of Speakeasy. But no matter why they left (the voluntary ones) they seem to choose not to return, or I think at least most choose. There are probably ones that can't, or can't easily anyway.

The members changed, the debates changed, and offended ones left.

Sadly, it seems to me that internet discourse invites rudeness. There have been reports of the same from studies by people that supposedly know what they're studying and saying.

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by C1ay / November 17, 2010 4:16 PM PST

I don't feel particularly discriminated against at all. It's a forum I joined long ago for the sake of finding others to argue with and I still get that to some degree. It's just that a lot of the others that came here for the same reason don't come here anymore. The staff and the rules have changed and it doesn't have that same 'cafe' atmosphere it used to have. In the end we lost much of the staff and the regulars from that era. Sad

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