Dave, spit it out, what are you trying to imply specifically?
His dental records are still around. I dare say that mine, of the same exact time, are also still around, but so are both his and my footprints. Yes, I said footprints, we both flew. Think about why in both cases Dave, you can do it.
BTW, when you're going TDY, some people carry their pay records and get paid whenever and wherever circumstances dictate. Don't you remember way back in the "Podium Days"when I told that fun story about waltzing into a Naval base in New Orleans and the head knocker said "I found him!" and they laid a pile of cash on me? Note: I was heading to a school, the greatest, "fun-est" school in the military. Just south of Miami, beaucoup free time. Bachelor Lt. major party time!
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Were Bush's medical records scrubbed? And a typical red herring
First, the dental exam isn't in the period when no one remembers seeing Bush at the Alabama Guard -- or during the long gap in the pay records.
Meanwhile, a report surfaced yesterday that the pay records had been "scrubbed" when Bush was Texas Governor (this is further along in the same story):
>> In a new development Wednesday, a retired Texas National Guard officer said he overheard a conversation in 1997 between then-Gov. Bush's chief of staff, Joe Allbaugh, and then-Adjutant Gen. Daniel James of the Texas Air National Guard in which he contends those two men spoke about getting rid of any military records that would "embarrass the governor."
Former Lt. Col. Bill Burkett told the AP that he saw documents from Bush's file discarded in a trash can a few days later at Camp Mabry in Austin, Texas. Burkett described them as performance and pay documents. He said the documents bore the header: "Bush, George W. 1lt." - meaning first lieutenant.<<
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I got a partial pay from the Air Force while on emergency leave--my pay records were screwed up for almost a full year.
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Hi, J.
I'm not saying -- the Lt. Colonel is saying that pay records damaging to Bush were intentionally destroyed when he was Governor of Texas. It may mean that there was specific evidence that he did NOT fulfill all his obligation, and that evidence has been destroyed.
The point about the dental records is that they're for January of the year where the period in dispute is April to early November (AIR), so the Press Secretary's claim is summed up in part of Hamlet's famous soliloquy -- a tale "told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
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Any records the Guard had of Bush whould have been placed in the archives many long years BEFORE he became governor.
IF some were still laying around they would be copies and destroyable at will as all official records are in the archive in St. Louis.
The red herring is the alledged "sighting" of records in a trash can by someone whose "description" of what he saw does not match what pay records or performance worksheets actually look like.
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Also, Edward, when I was a 1Lt, my pay records didn't refer to me as a 1Lt. To Military pay records, I was an O-2. 2Lt O-1, 1Lt 02, Captain 0-3,it's quite logical. BTW, Dave K., Enlisted personel were E-1, E-2, E3, etc., etc.
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Somebody 'overheard'; somebody else 'saw'? What is this crap? Is this the new standard of truth in America? What a crock of ****!
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An unnamed source says (off the record, don't use my name) that .......
Both individuals named say (on the record) the implication is pure 'hogwash'.
What happened to the concept of being able to face your accuser?
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Bo, I want to meet somebody who says that he remembers something that he saw in a sh**tcan 30 years ago.
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This was only six years ago and the file had the govenor's name on it.
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First, it still remains the 'word' of an unnamed source against the two named people saying it is hogwash.
Second, so what if files were seen in the trash can. What files? There is no way in he!! the office referenced could have had access to the originals 24 years after the discharge. Therefore, the files were copies and could be disposed of at will.
Now, as I said to DK, enough is enough. A number of columns I have read in the last 36 hours on this topic are all beginning to repeat the same thing: There is no there, there. The honorable discharge should have been the end all to the discussion.
This entire kerfluffle has less factual basis than the Clinton hit list. And we all agree that what facts are in that are slanted to make the worst possible appearance. In this case, there are no relevant facts beyond the honorable discharge.
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Military records and paperwork do not have any such "headers". They have subject lines and the format is spelled out by regulation. To have seen any name he would have had to read any papers a bit more closely than he appears to.
That ignores the fact that on discharge ALL RECORDS are archived and any residual records found at any local level would be purged immediately. It is EXTREMELY unlikely that any of his records would have existed outside the national archives 6, 8, 10, or even 20 years ago.
Specific questions about archiving contact NARA
http://www.archives.gov/facilities/mo/st_louis
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Each PSC I was allowed to view and remove any items that were of a local nature that I didn't choose to have follow me to a new assignment. It's a good policy to avoid having a paper tail from an over bearing supervisor pinned on you, things that may have been related to personality clashes. Anything that was inhouse could be disposed of, anything higher than an Article 15 would have remained, and all yearly performance reports are kept unless removed or changed by IG action.
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what 'scrubbing' would be done in Texas? Get it?
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Bo, I don't know. We've had to endure this trash for serving rather than avoiding for damn near 30 years.
Enough is finally enough, officer and gentleman be damned, it's time to give it back to them.
BTW, I posted the draft lottey number link that I forgot in a previous post. Might be fun to "run" your birthdate if it was before your time gang. Might also be fun if the date was not before your time.
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Hi, Bo.
Funny you weren't saying the same thing when it was Republican operatives trolling through Arkansas for floozies they could link to Clinton... There's a seven month gap in the pay records, and his superiors say they never saw him. Further, there's now an eye-witness (and ear-witness) report that damaging pay records were intentionally destroyed to avoid "embarassing the Governor." Republicans have spent months attacking Democrats with a lot less amunition than that. Funny how your tune changes when the shoe's on the other foot!
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There is no there there!
There is an honorable discharge and that settles any question about the quality of his service.
As for trolling for Arkansas floozies, I never commented on that and there was no 'trolling'. They were coming out of the woodwork to the point that there was a staff assigned to cover the 'bimbo eruptions'.
This attempt to deflect will not work. I said once before on another topic that I would not reply to another post of yours continuing to propagate that set of lies. This topic would be another one save for continuing to correct your egregious misstatements and slanderous innuendo.
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You can scream at the top of your lungs, but this investigation of GW's "military" records isn't going to go away just because you don't like the topic...
GW is sacrificing our troops for his misguided agendas and he claims that the sacrifice is worthwhile. Sadly, GW feels that the sacrifice is worthwhile as long as he isn't the one sacrificing. It's time for GW's apologists to refill their Valium prescriptions. This story has just begun to unravel...
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from the Viet Nam war years than any other group. Therefore in a way, I welcome it. It can only expand into a look back at the Democrats and their Viet Nam war policies and how they used our troops for raw political purposes. Who knows, maybe some of their coverups will finally come to light. I sure hope so!
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You seem to forget that there were both Republican and Democrat Presidents presiding over the Vietnam war. Both are equally guilty in keeping us in the middle of a Civil War that served no useful purpose other than padding the pockets of the military suppliers and their investors. There was no hurry in ending our involvement in Vietnam because so many people and companies were getting rich from the endeavor...
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...were constantly being hamstrung by the Democrats throuhout the war. My regret is Carl Albert and Mike Mansfield never swung from the end of a rope for their treasonous ways.
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years and I don't want to hear it again. Tell it to the Vietnamese who faced the tanks rolling into Saigon. Tell it to the Cambodians who faced the Kymer Rouge after the Dems forced us to bail out.
Kennedy and Johnson got us into it, and a Democrat congress disgraced us by abandoning those who allied themselves with us. Don't try to rewrite it. We were there, we know what happened.
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Hi, James.
If you still think the VietNam War wasn't one of this country's most tragic mistakes, I really fel sorry for you.
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Nice attempt to divert attention away from GW and his "military" record though... 
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... that when you put military in quotations you denigrate EVERYONE who serves in the National Guard. Disgusting 
Bush has a military record. That may have involved favoritism in getting into the branch he chose, but he served and was discharged honorably. QED. And it's getting so old and tired to see people display their ignorance by equating becoming a fighter pilot with draft dodging or going AWOL.
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...it might have less to do with adjusting the record for GWB and more to do with protecting the records of those in the NG in charge of him? Doing favors for politicos kids while they are in the NG or even active Army was not unheard of.
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These were records at the Texas Guard HQ in Austin, KP.
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