Well played....

One from Hawaii and one from Kenya. Which to believe? Obama, the author of confusion.

NO...others are the authors of confusion.

In April 2011, President Barack Obama sought to put end to rumors claiming that he was not a natural-born citizen of the United States by obtaining and releasing a copy of his long form birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii. Officials from that state certified that the copy of the certificate they provided to President Obama was authentic:

RE: Which to believe?

even in that day and time, always includes the name of the delivery doctor, nurse in attendance, and baby foot prints. No, he's not provided an original birth certificate EVER.

Did officials from the Sate of Hawaii certify it was "original" ?

NO.......

They certified that the copy of the certificate they provided to President Obama was authentic:

au·then·tic

of undisputed origin; genuine.

Of course you and others can "dispute" BUT as far as the State that actually issues such documents...THEY consider it "authentic".

Many people don't have their "original birth certificate"...So they weren't born where the copy of their birth certificate claims?

It's posted at https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss_viewer/birth-certificate-long-form.pdf

It says he was born at 7:24 pm on 8/4/61. There is the signature of the attendant who is an MD. I don't have foot prints on my birth certificate. There is a place for them but they aren't there. It is my original birth certificate. I found it and one for my sister in my mother's things.

start another thread about HC and birther.

I'll have something to say about it there

You can't/won't defend the Donald in this thread?

regarding your thread starter.........HE wasn't the one to bring up BO's faith during that Q&A session. It's not HIS place to defend BO in any fashion at all....the liberals have that stage pretty well wrapped up. HE doesn't have to apologize for anything someone ELSE says.

HC IS the one who started the questions regarding his faith and birthplace.......since YOUR topic IS about BO's faith, it's perfectly logical that I would include her comments from 2008 in this thread. IF you have something to say about that, bring it.

It's not HIS place to defend BO in any fashion at all

Correctly a "lie" is defending"?

IF he did correct him...HE would be admitting HE was wrong.

it's also "not HIS place" to "act like John McCain"?

Of course The Donald doesn't consider McCain a "war hero"..That alone should cause him to lose your vote.

When Bush completes the next four year term
by TONI H / August 30, 2004 12:21 PM PDT I really hope that John McCain runs again....he's got my vote already. What a leader.........

knows how to play the game well....Trump plays no games regarding being politically correct. I disagreed with McCain over his jumping in to defend BO.....BO himself referred to his 'Muslim' faith during an early interview so why should ANYONE believe otherwise? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M

McCain was a war hero....no doubt in my mind. And yes, I did vote for McCain that year. So what? Do YOU agree with EVERYONE ALL THE TIME? I certainly don't....but if I'm getting 80-90% of what I want/need, I don't throw out the baby with the bath water. I suspect you would because liberals don't know the meaning of the word 'compromise' unless they are, in order to get their way, accusing someone else of not doing it .

I think your "what you want/need" is very fluid/nebulous when it comes to policy.

Trump has made statements that are the exact opposite of what you have been saying for years.

Trump plays no games regarding being politically correct

That's his "claim to fame"?

Vote for me...I've got a big mouth?

You must have heard this one....

Loose lips...sink ships?

that because I defend Trump on some of his issues, he's my 'guy' and I'll be voting for him. I don't recall ever giving you that impression, but you assumed it anyhow. Good luck with that.

And you remain silent on things you don't agree with him on?

That's why we don't hear a PEEP (get the reference to noises birds make) from you on these conflicts in positions?

Bank Bailouts. Tea party hated them. Donald Trump supported them:

Stimulus. Tea party hated it. Donald Trump supported it

Auto-bailouts. The tea party was against them. Donald Trump supported them

Blames 2007 market crash on Bush, thought housing market was fine in March 2007:

Higher taxes. The tea party opposed them. Donald Trump supports raising marginal rates

Economic policies. The tea party vehemently opposed the tax-and-spend policies of the Democratic Congress since 2006 and detested the high national debt. Donald Trump said in 2004:

Government-run healthcare. The tea party railed against
Obamacare and single-payer. Donald Trump supports universal healthcare

It might not be a smart move to "defend Trump" on ANY of his issues, unless you've stopped backing the Tea Party.

Donald Trump's Campaign Is A Plot By Big Business To Discredit The Tea Party

"The Tea Party is eating its own," Beck said. "If I'm a guy who is a Republican establishment guy or I'm a liberal, I want to destroy the Tea Party. But if I'm a businessman, I want to destroy it as well.

1) The guy who goes to war and shortly ends up killed in action?

2) The guy who goes to war and ends up captured?

3) The guy who goes to war, kicks butt, manages to not get killed and not get captured and makes it through his entire enlistment, maybe even the entire war, alive, after managing on many fronts to help defeat the enemy?

All of them really, but I'd favor the third one as the greatest hero.

4) The guy who goes to war, kicks butt, manages to not get killed BUT gets captured and makes it through his entire enlistment, maybe even the entire war, alive, after managing on many fronts to help defeat the enemy?

I notice The Donald wouldn't qualify for any of your classifications of "hero"..let alone "biggest hero"

"I notice The Donald wouldn't qualify for any of your classifications of "hero"..let alone "biggest hero""

Your opinion....but wonder what it has to do with anything?

Your opinion....but wonder what it has to do with anything?

It's based on facts. He didn't go to war, he didn't get captured....he did serve in the cadets, he did go to military academy...He DIDN'T JOIN the regular forces...not even "the after supper soldiers".

No stories of him rescuing someone from a burning building.

The Donald's idea of "getting lucky" was In an interview in 2011 on New York station WNYW,[33] he stated, "I actually got lucky because I had a very high draft number

Doesn't sound like "hero material" to me.

who 'faked' injuries to get medals and then threw them all over the WH fence and testified against his fellow military brothers?

There are many successful people in this country who didn't enlist or go to war. and one served as our president.....including Bill C
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/bill-clinton-draft.htm

Was HE a hero for being a draft dodger?

Well at least he did "sign up" and was in a war zone....unlike the Donald...That's a good start. Signing up...putting yourself in harms way.

Not saying that you have to "serve' to be a hero...there are other things that people do where they put their live in peril to save others...

James gave examples of "hero" to start this part of the thread, I added one addendum.

RE: including Bill C

Did I say HE was a "hero"?

that he actually joined the service in order to further his political career to which he had great aspirations......there was no 'call of duty' involved at all, and he pretty much turned into a traitor, no better than Jane Fonda, when he returned.

YOU said that Trump isn't a hero because he never joined the military.....BC BOUGHT his way out with influential people.

go to war either.....is HE a hero in your eyes? And HE mocked McCain publicly on CSPAN during his first and only CSPAN meeting, too. hmmmmmm

HE should be as much of a hero in YOUR eyes as Trump is in YOUR eyes.

with disdain is YOUR idea of a hero, have at it. I just pointed out that Trump isn't the ONLY one who did that, and I don't recall you EVER putting BO down over it.

and not Hillary herself that drove the birther rumors. Of course, since Trump's condemnation was for not jumping in to defend Obama, it may be fair to use the same critique of Hillary. What goes around...

was born in Kenya..........and it all got walked back. Now why would she say something like that? I don't care anymore....I just know that HC promoted that rumor during her campaign and is a hypocrite for complaining about Trump now for not 'protecting' BO.

He doesn't need "protection" He's got the Secret Service"

The Donald "can't/won't" correct the lies the guy mentioned because it would have HIM admitting HE was WRONG.

THAT'S why I gave the questioner an atta' boy...WELL PLAYED!!!!!

He answers...he's shamed...He doesn't answer...he's shamed some more.

Of course with the Donald any press coverage is looked at as "an opportunity".