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Well, at least Canada is protecting its Afghan interpreters

by Ziks511 / July 15, 2011 12:45 PM PDT
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/immigration-minister-says-550-afghan-interpreters-canada-months-174128107.html

"Citizenship and Immigration Minister Jason Kenney says hundreds of Afghan translators who risked their lives working with Canadian troops in Afghanistan and continue to be at risk will be moving to Canada in the next few months.

"Kenney originally announced the "fast-track" program a couple of years ago to help Afghans who face what he called "extraordinary personal risk'' by working with Canadians in Kandahar."We've received a few hundred applications.

"We are expecting that we'll probably end up admitting about 550 people who qualify for the program, which exceeds our original estimate of about 450," Kenney said in an interview with The Canadian Press Friday."

Can I assume the same will happen in the US?

Rob
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I seriously doubt it, if
by TONI H / July 15, 2011 7:58 PM PDT

the number of interpreters would be one fifth of our deployed troops over the ten years we've been there compared to Canada's troops.

>>>>Provincial reconstruction teamA key element of Canadian operations in Afghanistan is the Kandahar Provincial Reconstruction Team (KPRT), one of 25 provincial reconstruction teams throughout the country. A Provincial Reconstruction Team(PRT) is a unit introduced by the United States government to support reconstruction efforts in unstable states, performing duties ranging from humanitarian work to the training of police and the military. Following NATO's involvement, command of some PRTs was transferred from the US to other nations under the ISAF.

The Kandahar PRT is composed of around 330-335 personnel composed largely of Canadian Forces elements (315), but also of a few diplomats, correctional officers, development specialists, and Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP).[24][25][26] The Kandahar PRT also includes one U.S. State Department official, one U.S. development official, and several U.S. police mentors.[25]

The PRT is about one-eighth the size of the overall 2,830 Canadian military forces in Afghanistan. The 2008 Manley Report recommended that the KPRT be given more funding and attention and be placed under civilian leadership instead. The KPRT was transferred to civilian command in Spring 2010, during the update in the US civilian surge to Kandahar, with Canadian Ambassador Tim Martin as KPRT Director and former US Ambassador Bill Harris as Deputy Director. With impending Canadian drawdown in 2011 and increasing number of US soldiers and civilians in Kandahar, the KPRT transitioned from Canadian to American command in late 2010, completed with the transfer of authority in early 2011 of KPRT directorship from Tim Martin to American diplomat Ben Moeling. [25]<<<


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada's_role_in_the_Afghanistan_War

I don't understand how Canada could possibly need over 500 interpreters over a mostly five year period of time (2006 to 2011) when a large number (over 300) of what Canadian troops have been there for has been reconstruction in the Kandahar region. If 2500 troops that are left of the 2800 that are still there and all are going to be leaving soon, why would Canadian troops need over 500 interpreters over a 9 year total period of time for so few troops? Canada didn't deploy more than a handful of troops (sometimes as little as under ten) from 2002 until 2006. Where and why were all those interpreters needed? 2800 divided by 550 equals roughly ONE interpreter for every FIVE troops.

If the USA brought back a proportional number of interpreters we would be looking at having as many new people living here as we do illegals that cross the unsecured borders in a couple of months, and then you'd be harping at us to house, feed, school/educate, provide jobs and medical coverage for them....how very generous of you, Rob.

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Your link to Canada's role in Afg doesn't work
by Ziks511 / July 15, 2011 9:21 PM PDT

nice run-down on Canada.

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So YOUR position is
by JP Bill / July 15, 2011 9:24 PM PDT

Thanks for your your help, but there are too many of you?

How very generous of YOU/America?

If the USA brought back a proportional number of interpreters we would
be looking at having as many new people living here as we do illegals
that cross the unsecured borders in a couple of months, .



I don't understand how Canada could possibly need over 500 interpreters
over a mostly five year period of time (2006 to 2011) when a large
number (over 300) of what Canadian troops have been there for has been
reconstruction


Why not?...If you're working with people you have to talk to them. They don't say how long the interpreters worked before they were intimidated into leaving their jobs....that's why they're being offered entrance into Canada. Some may have lasted only a couple days.

How do you figure 300 is a "large number" compared to 3,000?

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Your math is wrong unsurprisingly Toni, it's 9 years support
by Ziks511 / July 15, 2011 10:11 PM PDT

ing the US in Afghanistan. They weren't just playing hockey during 2002 to 2006 which you skip over. Among other things they were losing groups, I say again, groups of men to USAF night drops and day drops. I notice they only covered the one night drop and didn't mention that the pilot got ripped a new one by his CO for failure to identify. Canada's time has been in Kandahar, Hellmand province which is a *****

Gee and you missed this one too: "On 28 February 2006, control of Regional Command South was transferred from U.S. Lieutenant General Karl Eikenberry to Canadian Brigadier-General David Fraser in a ceremony at Kandahar Airfield."

"Canadians launched Operation Medusa in September in an attempt to clear the areas of Taliban fighters from Panjwaii once and for all. The fighting of Operation Medusa led the way to the second, and most fierce Battle of Panjwaii in which daily gun-battles, ambushes, and mortar and rocket attacks were targeting the Canadian troops. The Taliban had massed with an estimated 1,500 to 2,000 fighters. The Taliban were reluctant to give up the area, and after being surrounded by the Canadian Forces, they dug in and fought a more conventional style battle. After weeks of fighting, the Taliban had been cleared from the Panjwaii area and Canadian reconstruction efforts in the area began." This operation was taken on by the Royal Canadian Rifles who replaced the worn out Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry.

"On 15 September 2006, the Canadian government committed a squadron of Leopard C2 tanks from Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians), and an additional 200 to 500 troops to Afghanistan" Should you need the information, on some top 10's on the Military Channel, the Leopard out scores the Abrams on American made shows

You ignore the longest sniper shot in history as agreed by the US Military who attempted to award the pair medals but Ottawa wouldn't let them. Some poor Talibani with a bucket heard the first round go over his head, but was so inured to the sound of battle that he continued on and walked right into the next one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Furlong in 2001. he was squeaked out of number one by a Brit.

"Rob Furlong (born 1976), a former corporal of the Canadian Forces, once held the record for the longest confirmed sniper kill in combat, at 2,430 metres (2,657 yd, 12.08 furlongs, or 1.51 miles).[1] This shot exceeded the previous record of Arron Perry set in 2001 just before Furlong's record by 120 m or 130 yd. The record itself was bested by United Kingdom's Corporal of Horse (CoH) Craig Harrison who in November 2009 recorded a 2,475 m (2,707 yd) shot in the War in Afghanistan, exceeding Furlong's record by 45 m (49 yd).[2][3]Born in Fogo Island, Newfoundland, Furlong taught himself to fire a rifle ambidextrously."

Better luck next time Toni. Oh, and about those free-loading Afghanis getting free healthcare? What do you think they get up here with Universal One Payer Health Care. Oh, and they get Halal meals while they're in hospital.

Have a nice day

Rob

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I didn't skip over anything
by TONI H / July 15, 2011 10:27 PM PDT

90% of your post was patting a few troops on the back rather than replying or disputing anything I said regarding the TOTAL Canadian troops, and the most that has been in Afghanistan is the current number of 2830...and all of them are pulling out this year. You think the USA doesn't have its own share of heroes and that they far outnumber whatever number you could come up with at this point?

The point of the entire post I made is trying to understand how Canada would NEED over 500 interpreters when you have had so FEW troops there in the first place? And for Canada to take those 500+ interpreters is far less in number than what the USA would have to bring over and support. Don't try to give me your crap about how the USA isn't 'generous' enough to "take care of its interpreters" when the scaled number would be tremendous compared to what Canada could/would do. There wouldn't EVEN BE a discussion about this if Canada had to consider taking on tens of thousands based on a 5-1 ratio.

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