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weapons in the house?

Mar 13, 2005 12:46PM PST
4-year-old boy shoots brother in Houston

In a shocking incident in Houston, a 4-year-old boy shot his 2-year-old brother with a gun taken from his mother's purse. The 2-year-old, suffered a single gunshot wound to the temple, and is in critical condition at Ben Taub Hospital. The incident took place at around 4:20 p.m. at a home in the 5500 block of Gatewood near South Post Oak Boulevard.

Sgt. Cameron Grysen of the Houston Police Department Homicide Division said that the boys had an argument & the 2-year-old threw a toy at his brother after which the shooting took place. ?The 4-year-old was angry, he went and got the gun, put it to his brother's head and shot the gun," Grysen said.

The mother of the children told authorities that she had the gun to protect her family after a spate of recent neighborhood burglaries, but Saturday was the one-day that she did not secure the weapon.

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they best sing STOP IN THE NAME OF THE LAW
Mar 19, 2005 12:34PM PST

and maybe the perp will fall over from laughing at them

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(NT) (NT) i heard same this am it was locked up
Mar 15, 2005 10:18PM PST
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and i heard on radio
Mar 15, 2005 10:17PM PST

she had locked the gun up LOCKED IT UP

he took her keys and retrieved it.

and you take the guns away from the police whats gonna take them away from the criminals??


will you go up and say please hand it over?

if this world was shangrila maybe you would live but this isn't shangrila

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In the city, having one has saved many lives. I imagine it
Mar 17, 2005 12:43PM PST

is more true in the country where the police are far away.

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In my neck of the woods ...
Mar 15, 2005 8:10PM PST

... a firearm would be a need if an intruder came. The cops are too far away to get here in time assuming I could get to the phone.

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You have intruders?
Mar 15, 2005 8:29PM PST

You have intruders where you live? Where do intruders get their guns? Is a vicous circle i think.

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DNR - don't be a fish, don't take the bait
Mar 15, 2005 8:52PM PST

Please ignore the obvious trolling and DNR. Ever.

Notice the repetitious pattern? It's all trolling questions, no answers, phony difficulty with English combined with this phony chop suey name...

The only way we can win is to ignore them EVERY TIME, no matter what new names they use. There's some comedy in witnessing this bunch of losers trolling this place, but sheeeeeeesh the continuous leftist effort is sooooo pathetic.......

Only good thing I can say is this: They all work for me but still can't realize it, lol!

DE

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Sorry, DavE.
Mar 16, 2005 9:21AM PST

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

Trying to be good - M@N

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(NT) (NT) yup when you ignor the trash it stinks
Mar 16, 2005 9:26AM PST
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hehe. silly rabbit!
Mar 17, 2005 2:42PM PST

i didnt see this until now. your funny though! hope you had a nice st patricks day.

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A question for you, Fu.
Mar 16, 2005 9:46AM PST

Why is it that the pro-innocent victim disarmament crowd always brings up the same old arguments, then fails to acknowledge when these arguments are refuted, only to rehash these very same arguments the next time the subject comes up?

Make no mistake, we've gone over this before, several times, once quite recently.

Mark

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*cue sound of crickets*
Mar 17, 2005 9:19AM PST

Not that I expected different.

But while we're on the subject, I'll be out of town for a bit, and so probably won't be able to reply immediately, should anyone have further comment. But I'll check back in here when I return.

Ciao - Mark

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whats the question?
Mar 17, 2005 11:14AM PST

i'd prefere you to be more specific.

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heres his question
Mar 17, 2005 11:39AM PST

A question for you, Fu.

Why is it that the pro-innocent victim disarmament crowd always brings up the same old arguments, then fails to acknowledge when these arguments are refuted, only to rehash these very same arguments the next time the subject comes up?

Make no mistake, we've gone over this before, several times, once quite recently.

Mark

Posted by: MarkatNite

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convition just like in the opposit case?
Mar 17, 2005 1:30PM PST

the arguments of those who condemn the guns are just as refuted. why do that crowd always bring up the same old argument? i think its convictions. and you

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still waiting for your links to this claim you made
Mar 17, 2005 10:59PM PST
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ok
Mar 15, 2005 10:13PM PST

i like to shoot at targets, i am out late at night, there drug dealers in the world.
why shouldnt i have the right to have a gun?
i dont hunt but i eat meat.

but why shouldnt i have a equal chance as the criminal have because they wont give up there guns.

you dont want a gun thats your right and i wouldnt force you to have one, but what gives you<not saying you for you if you can follow what i mean the right to deprive me?

ive tought my sons which are now 19/25 the way to shoot, and i can say they never used a gun to hurt any one.

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This time...
Mar 14, 2005 4:06PM PST

It's "Teach your parents well"

Crossby, Stills, Nash, & Young


cl

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Houston Chronicle Editorial on same
Mar 19, 2005 1:29AM PST
Toying with tragedy.
(Chronicle login: semods4@yahoo.com; pw = speakeasy)

>>As long as kids can get guns, they'll be victims.... Texas does not require child-safety locks; does not allow allow cities to hold gun manufacturers liable for harm that might come from the use of their products; does not give cities the authority to enact gun restrictions that are stronger than those found in state law; does not impose consumer safety standards on guns; and does not require safety training for gun buyers. Texas is one of more than 30 states that already restrict lawsuits against gun manufacturers. Imposing reasonable restrictions to limit children's access to handguns is something for Texans to consider when the National Rifle Association convenes in Houston next month for its annual meeting. Without sensible regulation to keep guns from children, children will needlessly suffer and die.<<

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
click here to email semods4@yahoo.com

The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!
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so you blame the gun manafactuer
Mar 19, 2005 2:01AM PST

blame the gun owner, do you blame the auto maker for drunk drivers?

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Persistent drunk drivers are forced
Mar 19, 2005 4:24AM PST

to have breathalyzer-keyed ignitions in some places, Mark. The technology for personally-keyed guns exists, and wouldn't really add much to the cost of a gun if they were mass-produced. Such a system would do much to solve the problems with kids and guns, and also stolen guns. (Legitimate transfers work like changing a password on your computer -- you have to enter the old one first). But God forbid we require manufacturers to incorporate such systems into their weapons of death. The difference between a car and a gun, Mark, is that the purpose of a gun is to kill something. Yes, they can be used for target practice -- but that began as training to kill, and that's the purpose many still use it for today.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
click here to email semods4@yahoo.com

The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

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Ignorance again rears its ugly head!
Mar 19, 2005 5:06AM PST

Although many times we have very patiently explained things to you, you seem to purposely AVOID the facts.

Persistent firearms violations don't result in breath tests, they result in an inability to legally own or purchase.

Yes, there is technology that keys a firearm to a single person and the technology is not only unsound but could result in the deaths of others. You have, right here in this forum, been linked to many accounts of a police officer being saved because a bystander was able to pick up his firearm and defend him--not possible with a keyed firearm. You have also been linked to at least one account of a person killed because his firearm would not function because he was forced by injury to fire with his weak hand and the firearm can only be keyed to one or the other.

You have been told many times that you are absolutely incorrect in your statement of the PURPOSE of a firearm. Once more though and this time see if you can retain it--the PURPOSE is to (in simple terms) launch a projectile or projectiles from point a to a target point b. Most firearms are fitted with sighting systems allowing for more precisely locating the exact impact point of the launched projectile. The ONLY TIME that killing enters the picture is when the target point b happens to be living and that is the case in far less than 1/100 th of the times firearms are fired.

The purpose of an automobile is transportation and either it or the firearm can be used productively or carelessly and both can kill. Same applies to MOST TOOLS used by people.

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and why are more people killed by drunk drivers
Mar 19, 2005 12:38PM PST

dave get out your soap box and make booze unlawfull, wait that was done what happened.


and lets take your higteck gizmo on a gun, ok and the persons over powered before he/she reaches it, the other person sees there loved one in dire need but since that guns only good now as a paper weight there loved, ones dead.
no thanks you take that high teck gizmo and put it in file 13

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With a left leaning editorial board...
Mar 19, 2005 4:51AM PST

one expects nothing but the drivel you found Dave.

That "article" was simply another attempt to infringe on the rights of bot citizens and legitimate and already highly regulated manufacturers and distributors.

Another sniveling cry for "more laws" rather than enforcing the over ten thousand (10,000) firearms laws already in existence.

When is the last time you saw or heard of anyone whimpering and whining about law suits against cutlery manufacturers? Speak up Dave!

Most states allow minors to handle and use firearms on private property--they also allow them to drive motor vehicles. It is PRIVATE PROPERTY and government has no business intruding.

If you and the HC editorial board actually wanted to do something meaningful to reduce accidental shootings and injuries you would be screaming for MANDATORY firearms training in the schools. Such training used to be widely available (especially in schools that had ROTC or CAP programs) as an elective course until ignorant gun banners fought to remove such valuable training and to replace it with an intentional IGNORANCE concerning firearms.

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How about Zippos, Dave...
Mar 19, 2005 12:22PM PST

Dave, since the thread started with a story about a 4 year old and a two year old, and you're hanging your hat on child saftey, what about Zippo cigarette lighters. I don't have statistics offhand, but I'll wager that many more 2 year olds have been killed in fires started by another little kid playing with a Zippo-type lighter than have been killed by another little kid shooting them. Heck, the basic Zippo doesn't even have a "safety".
Let me play word substitution with your "logic". Texas does not require child-safety locks on Zippo lighters; does not allow allow cities to hold the Zippo manufacturer liable for harm that might come from the use of their products; does not give cities the authority to enact Zippo restrictions that are stronger than those found in state law; does not impose consumer safety standards on Zippos; and does not require safety training for Zippo buyers.
I dare say that Texas allows minors to purchase and possess Zippos. Dave, do you also think that without sensible regulation to keep Zippo lighters from children, children will needlessly suffer and die?

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there should be a law against ignorance
Mar 19, 2005 12:41PM PST

then maybe people would understand guns and the saftey a responceable owner uses.
then we get all guns are bad, no booze, no no no

soon be no air