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weapons in the house?

Mar 13, 2005 12:46PM PST
4-year-old boy shoots brother in Houston

In a shocking incident in Houston, a 4-year-old boy shot his 2-year-old brother with a gun taken from his mother's purse. The 2-year-old, suffered a single gunshot wound to the temple, and is in critical condition at Ben Taub Hospital. The incident took place at around 4:20 p.m. at a home in the 5500 block of Gatewood near South Post Oak Boulevard.

Sgt. Cameron Grysen of the Houston Police Department Homicide Division said that the boys had an argument & the 2-year-old threw a toy at his brother after which the shooting took place. ?The 4-year-old was angry, he went and got the gun, put it to his brother's head and shot the gun," Grysen said.

The mother of the children told authorities that she had the gun to protect her family after a spate of recent neighborhood burglaries, but Saturday was the one-day that she did not secure the weapon.

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Funny thing, Dave..
Mar 15, 2005 4:37AM PST

Funny thing, Dave, in Atlanta the local press has been full of reports of two of those "rare" invasions that happened within as many weeks quite recently. The first was a perp trying to get money that he had heard that the family had gotten from a tax refund. The second happened but a couple of miles away from me in another subdivision where the perp was looking for money that he had heard an elderly man kept in his home. BTW, in that case there was no money, the perps had just overheard the man's grandaughter mentioning that he kept money in his home. No specific amount, just the fact that he kept some cash on hand in the house. Heck, so do I for paying for deliveries from the local Chineese restraunt. I wonder anout those "odds" you keep throwing about as facts.

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(NT) (NT) Two in a city the size of Atlanta is still 'quite rare!
Mar 15, 2005 12:23PM PST
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You seem to forget, Dave...
Mar 15, 2005 3:06PM PST

Dave, you seem to forget my past posts, where I related having an intruder problem twice in that tiny town in my area. In the Case of Atlanta, it was two in two weeks, and they were out of the main city (one was in the nearby town of Lawrenceville). "KonkelStatistics" leave much to be desired as "proof".

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the prob j is they use rose colored glases
Mar 15, 2005 10:08PM PST

i might still die but i wont go alone ill take 1 or more with me.
then be less scumm walking the earth

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That is far from reality Dave...........
Mar 15, 2005 4:51AM PST

we have had a lot of home invasions in the valley and they seem to target older retired people. This is not just a drug related crime

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That depends a great deal on where you live.
Mar 15, 2005 6:54AM PST

Home invasions on the south side of Chicago are fairly common place.

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Okay Cindi...
Mar 15, 2005 12:02PM PST

...how about some Matrix Glide lol

hike! Kick left kick right lol


CL

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With a blanket statement like that...
Mar 15, 2005 4:54AM PST

I would certainly be interested in how the determination of "expert" was arrived at for that Harris County person.

Since you are so "firmly convinced" yet have raised no children would you care to suggest how so many hundreds of thousands of children are successfully raised without injury in the hundreds of thousands of homes were the parents do indeed keep and maintain firearms?

Do you have any idea of what "a standard firearm" is? What in your estimation makes a firearm "standard" or "non-standard"?

Your total lack of familiarity with firearms, their use, or their security shows in your remarks which are so obviously based on ignorance of firearms and children.

You have been shown time and time again that the "study" and "figures" you like to cite are NOT FBI stats but the work of researchers in King County Washington and those researchers themselves warned you gun banners to NOT try using the figures as you try to. Why? Because their methodology was not correct for such findings as only fatalities were tabulated--all other uses and incidents were ignored.

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I dont know, Evie
Mar 15, 2005 4:18AM PST

I was a very curious little kid. I remember looking in my mothers purse.

Youre right, though -- you dont really hear about all these self-defense stories.

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Yes ...
Mar 15, 2005 4:31AM PST

... I was a curious kid too. I knew where my folks kept the "extra cash" and snooped in their bedroom and such. At that age I was probably looking for treats Wink. My point was that there was no reason, with reasonable care, for the 4 yo to know where to go and "get the gun" -- particularly since it was a new addition to the house. I guess what I'm saying is that if I had a loaded gun (apparently without any safety on) in my purse, I wouldn't be advertising it to a 4 yo, and certainly wouldn't leave it lying around. Was it in this kid's nature to role play "shooting" his brother whenever they fought? Something just sounds off to me. I don't have kids, but as a teen I babysat lots of brothers around that age group. Worst I had was an 8 year old dangle his brother upside down and let him drop on his head on the asphalt while I had run in to catch the telephone (cuz the parents had said they would call). That wasn't a fun afternoon! I pitied those parents, this was routine "play" for the older kid! Seemed to live to terrorize his younger brother. They only let me sit for them because they knew my folks were up the road, and even then it was pretty rarely. It was as if they knew what was going to happen. Nowadays I'll bet parents with kids like that never go out because I can't imagine being able to find a sitter!

Evie Happy

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It makes you wonder, though
Mar 15, 2005 10:49PM PST

I can envision scenarios in which the mother left her purse just for a minute. Suppose she forgot her keys, or didnt lock the back door before leaving the house. It would take just a minute to take care of these things. The already knew momma kept a gun in her purse, so the second he got mad, he got the gun and shot his brother. How many people wouldve foreseen this happening? She certainly wouldnt have believed -her- son would do such a thing even if she knew the kid knew where the gun was.

I remember my mother asking me if I knew that the cartoons I was watching were pure fantasy, and that if I realized that I, or somebody else could get hurt if some of those things happened in real life. I did know, and assured her that I knew the difference. Maybe this kid didnt. Or maybe he wouldve been in prison some day, anyway, because of poor impulse control. I certainly dont think she should be locked up. But I think the argument could be made that she was the guilty party, and that its no different than a parent who forgets about a kid in the car with the windows rolled up on a hot day.

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Mar 13, 2005 2:04PM PST
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Yes I would...about 20 or 30 feet in front, and....
Mar 13, 2005 2:38PM PST

...with that laser red dot right on the driver, and if that car moved 1 inch toward me, I'd "unload" on him.

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So, the answer to crime is to offer no resistance.
Mar 13, 2005 2:42PM PST

I'm sure that will drive down the crime rate. Are you Mennonnite or Amish?

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lets see now
Mar 13, 2005 7:46PM PST

let someone get away with $12.30 in gas,

or jump in front of a car and try and stop it?

Decisions, decisions, I'll have to think about it for awhile.

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(NT) (NT) So the answer is yes.
Mar 13, 2005 11:09PM PST
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After much soul searching
Mar 13, 2005 11:25PM PST

taking into account the monetary value of the gasoline, even though prices are at an alltime high, and the fact I'm only making 6.15 an hour, and I could just take the license plate number down, and phone the police and let them handle it. Or hang onto the car and get severly injured or killed.

Oh, and I'm also not 16 years old I might have done it when I was, but I'm not 16.

Are you 16?

Do you think the same way about your live now as you did when you were 16

I've decided to let them go. So the answer is NO!

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and lets say the cars stolen
Mar 13, 2005 11:37PM PST

and they aim at you you will put up your pen/pencil and say stopGrin

tell me what does it feel like to look up at a cars under cariage as it drives over youGrin

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First of all
Mar 13, 2005 11:49PM PST

I don't stand in front of the car.

Second, if the car is stolen, then they get away with a stolen car and $12.30 worth of gas. (what a loss)

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(NT) (NT) so the cars in canada only go straight
Mar 14, 2005 12:11AM PST
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so the cars in canada only go straight
Mar 14, 2005 2:58AM PST

Well, they don't go sideways


They are capable of making a right or left turns, however it would require a large turning radius, much like the cars that are presently being driven in the US, but not exactly the same.


Do you have a car?

Does it go "sideways"?

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Of course, that's JP's answer.
Mar 14, 2005 2:26PM PST
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nope id side step and blow the punks brains out
Mar 13, 2005 10:30PM PST

as useing a car as a weapon id have nps doing it

all you would do is wave bye bye

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(NT) (NT) So for $12.00 in gas you're willing to kill?
Mar 13, 2005 11:53PM PST
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People have killed for less .....
Mar 14, 2005 12:15AM PST
Sad
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only if the served twards me with the car
Mar 14, 2005 12:42PM PST

then its attempted murder and i was useing self defence

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No, I wouldn't, JP !
Mar 14, 2005 11:59PM PST
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do you have permit for those things
Mar 13, 2005 4:09PM PST

how you got the permit?i do not know what you work but unless you are a cop it would surprise me if you have a permit to carry laser and other things you say

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you dont need a permith for the site
Mar 13, 2005 10:33PM PST

and as to the gun i do
and in ga where i live you can have a gun in the glove campartment no permit needed, or open on seat with the ammo out in plain site.

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are the laws the same in all states?
Mar 15, 2005 5:04AM PST

unless he lives in ga too and the laws are the same it is not sure he can have it. i don't know if he has a permit either.