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Vista Upgrade Problem - Microsoft have given up !!!

Feb 1, 2007 4:27AM PST

HI... I have just purchased the Windows Vista Home Premium (Upgrade) Disk from PC World..

I had no compatibility issue recording whilst doing the online check

Soo... I tried to upgrade

Everything is OK until it get to the point where it get to the section weher it 'Expands the files'

I then get the error 'Could not prepare your computer to boot in to the next stage of installation'

I have tried reloading with all softaware diabled and with all hardware removed but still no joy

I called MS who spent 3 hours trying to help without any joy.

I have also created a new partiion on the main drive and tried loading to that... still if fails at the same point..

I am sure I am not alone with this issue ..

Any ideas

PC = HP Dual core pentium 2.34 Ghz... 2GB Ram - Windows XP Home SP2

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Time to call HP and ask...
Feb 1, 2007 7:32AM PST

Does my machine run Vista?

Sadly there could be a driver needed to install Vista. Only HP may know this.

Bob

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HP ?
Feb 2, 2007 1:41AM PST

Thanks for the suggestion... but if you have ever dealt with HP you will realize that their tech support is as good as a chocolate fireguard!!..

If you Google the problem you find that this is not an isolated issue... but so far the problem has not been fixed..

Microsoft called me this evening saying that they have drawn a blank and their research team will investigate over the weekend and call me on Monday...I they are able to fix it... "I'll will be back"

If anyone has found a fix...Microsoft & I would love to know the solution...

Thanks

WALT

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Solution
Feb 9, 2007 12:30AM PST

I don't mean to be a wise guy, but all the experts said to wait for a very good reason - and now you know the rest of the story.

The solution is to reload XP if you need to use your PC.

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Same problem
Feb 2, 2007 7:26AM PST

I had the exact same problem installing Windows Vista Home Premium upgrade on Windows XP. The precheck showed no problems with my system. I called Microsoft 3 times. I tried what the first and the second technician suggested with no difference.
Then, on the 3rd call, I got the most friendly, helpful, and professional who knew what she was talking about. She told me what to do to correct it and then stayed on the phone for the complete installation to be sure it worked. I would not suggest trying to correct it yourself but this is where the problem lies:
******Missing Registry Key: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E967-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}, UpperFilters Data Value= PartMgr
Resolution:
***********Changed Registry Key and is now able to do an upgrade install

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Registry !!
Feb 2, 2007 4:05PM PST

Hi

Thanks for the heads-up on the registry issue

I am resonably confident in this area and happy to try and fix the issue myself..

Can you remember what exactly the problem was??

Cheers

WALT

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Message to Walt
Feb 2, 2007 9:12PM PST

Walt,
Send me an email message at ehance2@suddenlink.net and I will forward the "Case closed" email from Kate at Microsoft. It has the case number, problem, fix, etc in it.

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Please send me the info kate sent you please
Feb 3, 2007 8:45AM PST

i am having same exact problem with could not prepare the computer to boot next phase i have hp laptop same as yours how do i fix registry stimothy1@comcast.net thanks scott

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I think I remember this as the fix for my computer
Feb 2, 2007 9:49PM PST

Katherine Dewalt, Microsoft Vista Technician, guided me throughout the complete install. Previously 2 other Microsoft people had made suggestions which did nothing. I tried upgrade and clean install, but both stalled at the same point and would not continue because it could not boot.
I don't recommend doing this, but basically, if my memory is correct these are the steps she had me take:
start, run, enter "regedit"
then open "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE"
then open "SYSTEM"
then open "CurrentControlSet"
then open "Control"
then open "Class"
find the line number "{4D36E967-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}"
then open "Upper Filters" (located on right hand side)
then add the words "PartMgr"
I am not suggesting that anyone try this. Kate warned me before we tried this that something could go wrong if I made any mistakes or typos. This is the best I can remember the steps. Maybe you guys could call Microsoft and ask for Kate Dewalt. She is super helpful.

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Regedit....
Feb 3, 2007 1:06AM PST

Hi

Thanks for the info... I have just tried it and it has failed at exactly the same point...

Gets to the point where it says ' Expandin Media' and get to about 21% and then it fails...

I have got areplacement disk coming later... I will try that one to see if I have a rogue DVD

Thanks

WALT

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Failed !!
Feb 3, 2007 1:45AM PST

New copy of Vista Upgrade DVD fails at exactly the same point!!

Any other ideas greatefully received....

WALT

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If it does run Vista try these old issues.
Feb 3, 2007 2:15AM PST

1. Added RAM? Go back to what came with the system.

2. Older CD/DVD drive? Try the other drive or a new drive.

Does HP tell you if this machine runs Vista? We had that issue with XP that some didn't and no fix came out.

Bob

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Still no joy...
Feb 3, 2007 2:25AM PST

1. RAM is as supplied ... 2Gb

2. Have tried three different drives

3. The machine is two months old and has a 'Vista Ready' sticker on it..

So what's the problem ??

Sad

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You're in luck.
Feb 3, 2007 2:50AM PST

Now you have a WARRANTY ISSUE. You can ping on HP to get it to Vista or ask for a full refund (my preference.) With that full refund you can likely do better.

Bob

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Not for me...
Feb 3, 2007 5:05PM PST

Thanks for the advice...

I have decided to keep things as they are.

If I take the defeatest attitute this problem will just go away for Microsoft... There must be a logical reason for the upgrade not working and I think it is for the benefit of all of us that we let this problem come to it natural conclusion with Microsoft having to investigate the issue and come up with a solution.

The MS development Techie guys have emailed me saying that they will be calling me on Monday evening... It looks at least that they are taking it seriously.. lets hope they find the fix

Thanks

WALT

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Back to XP
Feb 9, 2007 12:10AM PST

I'm going the opposite direction from you... Recently needed a new laptop and found that I could ONLY buy them with Vista so I went ahead. I found that most of my applications will not correctly install--it even would not attach my network printer which works fine with several other wired and wireless boxes in my system... even a 98SE. The hardware and software manufacturers I've contacted are in no apparent hurry to provide Vista drivers for existing products. Tech reps from both the manufacturer of my laptop(starts with a "T") and my large, 'GEEKy' retailer reported that many of their customers are back-installing XP on Vista machines, so that's what I'm doing. Well, not me actually: I have a good tech who guarantees his work, to do it.
Also check the resource usage on a friend's Vista machine if I haven't yet made a good enough case. My Vista laptop uses ~900MB of RAM, idling after just starting. This is with no added software from what came with it. My similar other laptop (with XP) uses ~400MB with full ZoneAlarm and Spysweeper running.
Vista may be worthwhile at some point, but right now it seems premature to go to it.

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Well, here's a suggestion...
Feb 9, 2007 4:15AM PST

I'm not sure any of this will work but so far nothing else is!

1) Go to CNet downloads and download the trial verison of TuneUp Utilities 2007. It will function fully free for 30 days. Use it to clean you registry and other problems that might be on your computer.

2) Go to www.driveragent.com and scan your computer for drivers. Now www.driveragent.com is a pay service for downloading updated drivers. I use it as such because it is an easy way of keeping almost all drivers on my computer up-to-date. But you can use it free to scan to see if you have any bad drivers. If you do you will be able to go to the component maker's website and get a free update.

I doubt these suggestion will help but they are worth a try. You may end up calling Microsoft and asking for Kate Dewalt, but I really think this is HP's problem to correct. And they may already know about it and you don't! Happy

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ME TOO!!!
Mar 18, 2007 7:02AM PDT

man this is pissing me off, it does the exact thing at the %21 mark. the system reboots then it takes you to the beginning of the download again and doesnt let you choose "upgrade" on custom!!! did you ever figure out how to get this POS installed? thanks bro

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One other thing I remember
Feb 4, 2007 11:53PM PST

oh yeah, I remember now. Kate told me not to enter the product code numbers. We skipped that until the upgrade install was completed and the used the Windows Validation to put it in.

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Tries that too...
Feb 5, 2007 2:11AM PST

Thanks.... yes I have tried that too..

Never fear Microsoft are calling me any minute now!!

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How I fixed the problem
Feb 6, 2007 3:48AM PST

This is what worked for me.

First, the background -

Hell (Umm..DELL) xps600
XP Media center
Pentium D 2.80
2gb ram
350gb Raid0
SB live X-gamer
SLI Geforce 7600GT OC (2)
Assorted usb drives, dvd burners
two internal dvd burners

I had the same problem as everyone else, but refused to take Dell's explanation that I needed to buy THEIR version of Vi$ta in order to make the upgrade work. Yes, they actually told me that the Retail version of Vi$ta does not come with the hardware support needed to work on the Dell system.

In a word:Bullpucky.

So I called Microsft and got the same lines others have gotten, none of which worked.

Below is the list of steps I took to get Vi$ta Ultimate installed. I have now been up and running steadily since this past Sunday.

Written steps for the upgrade to Vi$ta:

To avoid any nasty problems with the update do the following:

1.) Back up all needed non-windows os files such as documents, mp3, etc.
2.) Insert a Windows cd rom into the cdrom drive, and chose the boot from cd option either via bios, or alternate boot key option.
3.) Choose from within the Windows setup procedure, the option to first delete the partition and delete ALL partitons shown. Then format as one whole drive to NTFS format. Do NOT use Quick Format.
4.) Remove ALL usb/serial devices connected to the system and install Windows as normal.
5.) Let Windows load ONE time after the install. Do nothing as far as adding/removing hardware, drivers or software. Close any and all windows which may come up looking for drivers. As long as the box recognizes your dvd drive, you're good to go.
6.) Remove the Windows CD rom from the drive, and inset the Vi$ta 32 bit install disc. (DVD)
7.) Run the install option.
8.) An option will come up to the check for compatibility problems. Choose no. The install procedure will do this anyway, and give you a list before it installs any software.
9.) Read through the list that comes up when the compatibilty test completes. Unless it tells you outright that the upgrade will NOT work, just continue on.
10.) You will be presented with TWO upgrade types. "Upgrade" and "Clean install." Choose "Clean install" and continue. you'll be told that your old version of windows will be moved to a folder called windows.old. Following that, there will be very little if ANY further intertaction needed until the install is complete. If there is any needed, follow the onscreen prompts, which are intuitive.
11.) After the install completes, check device manager for any missing/uninstalled hardware and act accordingly.
12.) You're done. Have fun.

Jay

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USB Drives
Feb 8, 2007 8:20PM PST

Unplug all USB drives!
They will be assigned drive letter first and it may be istalling on one of those.

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?
Mar 18, 2007 7:09AM PDT

what if your keyboard and mouse are connected via USB? we dont have to take those out right?

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No worries...
Mar 18, 2007 8:35AM PDT

Vista will handle USB keyboards and mice just fine, though it's possible some wireless (ie Bluetooth) keyboards and mice will have problems.

John

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And then
Feb 8, 2007 10:36PM PST

Download an OS that installs with out all this garbage and demand that Microsoft gives you your money back for foisting this piece of crap on you!!

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Sounds Good But...
Feb 9, 2007 12:42AM PST

Some good tips....but!!

I bought an upgrade disk (The free one from HP has come too) and neither of them work..

If the HP says 'Vista Ready' and Microsoft are confident enough to call it an 'Upgrade Disk' then why should I give in to them and do a 'Clean Install'

One of these guys is stating something that isn't quite true... and what more I am getting a little bit of satisfaction in getting them running around earning their money.

WALT

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Clean install
Feb 10, 2007 1:35AM PST

It says right up front you may have to do a clean install, back everything up. I just did an upgrade on a Toshiba laptop, I only lost my Nero, I have to buy #7, staples gave me a coupon, and my Nvidia video card needed a driver from the Toshiba site.
I'm running fine now, I even have the Aero theme on, but I noticed my laptop seems hotter.
runbob

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SLI may be your problem
Mar 18, 2007 7:46AM PDT

Be aware Vista to my knowledge does not support SLI video cards at present - this may your problem

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before installing cut off all firewalls, virus protection
Feb 8, 2007 10:55PM PST

i got vista home premium to upgrade an xp.
if anyone has problems installing the upgrade
or after installing upgrade. i had to install twice
because after the first install there were total firewall
conflicts. try installing with firewall, virus protection ,
spyware protection off. on the second install i could
use either firewall(windows live onecare or windows).
installation was easy. just very long. it is now working great.
i have hp AMD athlon 64x2 core processor 3800+ 2.00 GHz memory
(ram) 958 mb. i started out not able to get on the internet.
problem was all firewalls. so may sure everything (security)
is off. than go for it. the windows aero and graphics are great.

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Clean Install First
Feb 9, 2007 12:46AM PST

I believe if you do a clean install First, your Vista upgrade will work,
1. Save all your import documents & Pics ect.
2. Boot from the Upgrade Disc and delete the partion and format it.
3. Install Vista, Choose the upgrade version you have but dont put in CD Keys and do not get upgrades from the net during install.
4. Complete the install and this should give you 30 days to register.
5. Now Run the Vista upgrade again from inside the install you just did and enter all your info this time. It should work.
6. The up grade i think will do a clean install as long as you dont enter the cd keys.

I believe this is called a inplace upgrade, But Back everything up First so ya dont loose your stuff, which is what you should do even just doing a normal upgrade.

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Clean Install or Upgrade !!
Feb 9, 2007 12:57AM PST

Thanks

But this is a 'Clean Install' not an 'Upgrade'.. I am sure many other veiwing this forum will be extremely happy with the detailed information that you have provided.

However... I do not want to have to back everything up... Install and then relaod all the software I have installed...

Th concept of an upgrade is to do away with all this grief

All I want is a TRUE upgrade... basically I want it to do what it says on the box...

Thanks Again

WALT