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Vista or XP for New Desktop

Jun 26, 2009 6:19AM PDT

I'm need to buy a new desktop PC for my wife and kids. I know just enough about computers to be dangerous. (I'm no techie!) The 2 desktops and 1 laptop we currently have all have the XP operating system. I've heard so many bad things about Vista that I'm afraid to buy a new computer with it in it. I have found some new computers that have Vista but also come with an XP "downgrade". Getting a Mac is not the answer for me. Questions:

1. Which am I better off getting?
2. What is the minimum memory, processor speed, etc. I will need if I get Vista?
3. Will Office 2003 and other older programs work well with Vista?
4. If I get Vista what else should I know or be prepared for?
5. I I get the XP downgrade should I buy the Windows 7 upgrade now?

Thank you!!!!!

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Jun 26, 2009 7:03AM PDT

1.) That depends; Do you have old peripherals (printers, cameras, et cetera) that are not Windows Vista-compatible? (Check for Windows Vista drivers from the manufacturers.)

2.) Any current processor is fine. 1GB RAM is the minimum recommended, 2GB+ is best for performance.

3.) Yes, Office 2003 works perfectly. Some older applications may not, though. Ask if you're unsure.

4.) Windows Vista takes time to adjust to, so be willing to give it a chance. Also, Windows 7 will be released on October 22nd. Those who buy Windows Vista computers now receive free Windows 7 upgrades.

5.) Note that Windows XP users can purchase Windows 7 upgrade licenses, but must wipe everything (applications, documents, et cetera) and perform a clean install. Windows Vista users just perform the upgrade; everything remains as it is.

Hope this helps,
John

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Jun 28, 2009 12:37AM PDT

Thank you for your prompt response. Do you know if XP will be supported long enough to make an investment in a new computer with XP a worthwile investment?

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(NT) Windows XP SP3 (extended) support ends April 8, 2014.
Jun 28, 2009 3:40AM PDT
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Personally
Jun 26, 2009 9:00AM PDT

Personally, I don't find Vista that bad. And that may not seem like much of a ringing endorsement, but it is coming from me.

The biggest problem with Windows is also it's biggest selling point, in the hardware support. So many people don't stop to think that just because a bit of hardware has a Widows driver doesn't mean it's going to work well. The driver could be poorly written, or the hardware itself could be shoddily constructed. Windows will trip and fall quite a bit when you run it on poor quality hardware, or have a buggy driver installed, and when you have companies like HP/Compaq and Acer/Gateway/eMachines duking it out for the toilet bowl crown pumping out thousands of systems with hardware of questionable quality... A lot of people tend to place the blame at Windows' feet, when it's really that cheap POS sub-500USD computer they bought with it's hardware of questionable (at best) quality. These companies assemble all their systems over in China and other Asian countries where they can take advantage of what is essentially slave labor, and they will often turn a blind eye to some of the practices of these subcontractors. They don't really care HOW these subcontractors get the systems assembled for such a low price, just so long as they do. So if they acquire parts by questionable, or even illegal, means or use slave or child labor... They just keep themselves removed from the details of the how. So you never quite know what goes into those systems when they're so cheap.

Vista is not that bad all in all. It's different, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse, but that's about the long and short of it: It's different.

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Personally
Jun 28, 2009 12:32AM PDT

Thank you for your response to my post. In your response you said "that might not seem like a ringing endorsement, but it is coming from me." What did you mean by this? Also, you named several companies who have questionable hardware which could be the cause of some of the problems with Vista. Thanks for the warning. Which manufacturers can I trust? What do you know about hardware from Dell, ZT Systems and Power Spec (which I believe is Micro Center store brand)? Finally, are there any retailers (online or brick and mortar) which are better or worse than the others?

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Myself
Jun 28, 2009 2:02AM PDT

Myself, I don't even consider any brand that isn't Apple, Lenovo, Dell, or Toshiba. Those are the only ones I even bother looking at, because they have a long standing reputation for quality. I had an Apple iBook G4 that served me exceedingly well for 5 years. About the worst that happened to it was it developed a small hairline crack on one corner of the case. I finally retired it because the system just couldn't keep up with my expanding needs. I passed it on to my parents who really just wanted something they could use for web browsing and email in hotels when they travel.

Before that I had a Dell Inspiron laptop that also worked exceedingly well, and my current Dell Studio 17 laptop is also working out quite nicely.

I also tend not to buy things in a brick and mortar store if I can help it. I'll make exceptions when I need something right now, like when I moved 1500 miles, and UPS manhandled my old computer into oblivion. Getting them to pay up on the insurance claim was also not exactly a pleasurable experience. So in that case I bought something at a local Best Buy. I also stumbled across a pretty good deal on a Dell Studio Slim Desktop at Microcenter. It was an open box, but it's working pretty well, and it's primary job is just to be a HTPC, as well as emulator for some of my old PSX and SNES games. (Only the games I actually own) So I jumped on that too, but typically I only buy online because you get far better deals, and you can buy the extended warranties through the OEM, not the store. Store based extended warranty programs... Let's just say that the only real value to them is if you should run out of toilet paper. Also, don't bother with services like Geek Squad. If you can't find the help you need on places like this, odds are there's a kid living in your area who could do it for a fraction of the price, and then you promote good will in the community. You save some money, the kid gets a little spending cash, you're helping promote employable skills for the kid's future, and you keep the kid out of his/her parent's hair for an hour or so. Everyone wins, except the Geek Squad people who have a tendency to go rifling through your system looking for pictures/music/movies/software they may want a copy of, as well as taking a small problem and making it worse through sheer incompetence.

So if you're looking to buy a system, go direct to the manufacturer. If you're looking to build your own, I generally don't even bother looking beyond NewEgg anymore. They may not always be the cheapest, but you always get what you order, it's delivered on time, they are very up front about their different return policies, and prices are always competitive even if they aren't the cheapest. They're also generally very good at providing the technical specs you need to make sure it's really what you want.

And finally, what I meant by that saying, is that I'm a very harsh critic. Few things meet with actual praise from me. Generally the best rating something can get, is that it works for what I need it to do. Although I have a new appreciation of my 09 Corolla after I've had to drive this rental 2010 Ford Fusion SE for about the past week while my car is being repaired after suffering damage at the hands of some idiot on California's roadways. For one of the best American sedans out there, IMO, the Fusion is a steaming pile. Maybe the Hybrid models are better, but the one I have blows every farm animal that ever is, was, or will be. But I digress. Point is, I tend to have extremely high standards that are very hard (if not impossible) to meet, so the fact that Vista gets a fairly neutral rating from me is pretty good.

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I'm new to Vista
Jun 28, 2009 4:40AM PDT

I've just moved from XP to Vista. I still have my XP in good running order even after 6 years, but things move on, and I decided I must too. So I have this new Vista.

It is certainly different, and I still have a lot to learn about it, but it isn't so dfferent that I am completely lost. The Start Menu is still there, (looking slightly different of course), the Taskbar as well, and the Desktop still displays the same way. Wording is different. For example, right click the Desktop in XP and click Properties, and you can change settings and appearance for the desktop. Right click the Vista desktop, and you see "Personalize", with a different layout. But it is the same function.

Your XP machines will still continue to perform as long as the hardware allows it, and that could be for a few years yet, but if you need to purchase a new Desktop computer now, then perhaps Vista it should be. If you were to buy a new car, would you look at 6 year old models, or something more recent?

As John says, peripherals and older software may not be compatible, and that could be a probem, but since you have 3 XP machines then you will still be able to use them with the older items if Vista doesn't accept them, until you upgrade them as well.

Whether you go for Vista now or wait for Windows 7 only you can decide. it depends on your need for a new computer now or later.

I've been customizing my new system for a week now, and I am quietly impressed, and gaining in confidence.

I hope that helps.

Mark

Now, how do I stop these nuisance Windows pop-ups? Devil

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Disable User Account Control (UAC)...
Jun 28, 2009 10:28AM PDT

Disable User Account Control (UAC) by going Start->Control Panel->User Accounts->User Accounts->Turn User Account Control on or off and unchecking the box.

Reducing the security level will put your mind at ease. Devil

John

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LOL
Jun 28, 2009 8:44PM PDT

Yep I knew I could disable UAC, but I am happy to live with it for the time being.

Whilst I am learning this new beast it helps prevent me from making any potentially catastrophic changes. Something I am more than likely to do with my messing around.

Mark

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XP vs. Vista vs. 7
Oct 14, 2009 11:29AM PDT

Mark Flax -

Mark, I/My Company has computers running on both O/S. If you are into old cars, especially Chevrolets, you will understand my comparison. XP is like a '55. A timely product which was a much more modern and noticeably better than what came before. Vista is like a '58, bigger, shinier and requiring more resources to do the same job - very nice, just NOT as efficient. The bigger heavier vehicle required more motor, just as 2-4 Gb RAM Memories have become common rather than exotic on 32 bit Vista machines. 7 is like a '64-'67 Chevelle. The efficiency seems to be about back to '55 standards - AND - able to take advantage of the stuff developed for a less efficient platform. I tried it in Beta and liked it, am waiting for my upgrade disc as we speak. -S-

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I'm far from an expert
Oct 14, 2009 9:32AM PDT

i'm no expert, but if i decide to build a new desktop I'm going to use XP because I want a faster computer. I might be wrong, but if I understand things correctly Vista uses more electrons which means better graphics and more power, but since there are more electrons it takes longer for them to all get to where they are going, hence a slower computer. XP will be supported by Microsoft until 2014 I heard on the news. I don't know the answer to the rest of your questions.