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Virus and problems installing Windows 7

Jan 30, 2011 8:23PM PST

Hullo!

I am trying to install Windows 7 on a possibly infected computer running on Windows XP. I first installed Kaspersky Internet Security 2011 to try and get rid of any viruses and during the analysis the antivirus found an infection of Win32.Protector.a The problem is that I can't get Kaspersky to update (neither automatically, nor manually, eventhough there is an existing and working Internet connection), so it can't really remove the threat.

Now, I tried installing Windows 7 anyway, hoping that the problem might go away like that, only after insertion of Windows 7 installation DVD, I get a message saying I should choose where to install the program, but I don't have any options - there doesn't seem to be any recognition of the existing partitions.

What is going on and what could I possibly do to fix this mess?

Thanks ever so much for your help!

Monika

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First things first
Jan 30, 2011 10:22PM PST

First things first. We need to disabuse you of this idea that upgrading over a virus infested, or otherwise corrupted, OS is going to fix things. It won't. In fact, it's probably going to make things even worse. Now if you want to boot the computer off your Windows 7 disc and format the drive before installing Windows 7, that would work. Otherwise, you first need to clear out any viruses and other pests that have taken up residence in your computer. For that, I'd suggest taking a trip over to the virus and security forum here. Once you manage to clean that mess up, you may wish to read this set of tips that will greatly improve your odds of never having an experience like this again.

TIPS FOR A PROBLEM FREE COMPUTING EXPERIENCE
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The more of these suggestions you follow, the fewer problems you should have. They won't solve any existing problems you have, but if you follow them all you should be able to avoid virtually all problems in the future.

Things you should NOT do
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1: Use Internet Explorer (1)
2: Use any browser based on Internet Explorer (e.g. Maxathon and MSN Explorer)
3: Use Outlook or Outlook Express (2)
4: Open email attachments you haven't manually scanned with your virus scanner
5: Open email attachments you were not expecting, no matter who they appear to be from
6: Respond to spam messages, including using unsubscribe links
7: Visit questionable websites (e.g. porn, warez, hacking)
8: Poke unnecessary holes in your firewall by clicking "Allow" every time some program requests access to the Internet (3)
9: Click directly on links in email messages
10: Use file sharing or P2P programs
11: Use pirated programs

Things you SHOULD do
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1: Use a non-IE or IE based browser (4)
2: Always have an up to date virus scanner running (5)
3: Always have a firewall running (6)
4: Install all the latest security updates (7)(Cool(9)
5: Delete all unsolicited emails containing attachments without reading
6: Manually scan all email attachments with your virus scanner, regardless of whether it's supposed to be done automatically
7: Copy and paste URLs from email messages into your web browser
8: Inspect links copied and pasted into your web browser to ensure they don't seem to contain a second/different address
9: Establish a regular backup regimen (10)(11)
10: Make regular checks of your backup media to ensure it is still good (12)

Being a considerate Internet user & other online tips
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1: Do not send attachments in emails (13)(14)
2: Do not use stationary or any other kind of special formatting in emails (13)
3: Do not TYPE IN ALL CAPS (15)
4: Avoid texting speak or "l33t speak" (16)
5: Do not poke sleeping bears (17)
6: Do not use registry cleaners/fixers/optimizers (1Cool(19)

Offline tips and suggestions
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1: Avoid buying Acer, HP. Compaq, Gateway, and eMachines computers (20)(21)(22)(23)
2: Avoid sub-$500 systems that aren't netbooks or part of some limited time price promotion (24)

Notes
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(1) Sadly sometimes this is unavoidable, so only use IE when the site absolutely will not work with any other browser and you cannot get that information/service anywhere else, and only use IE for that one specific site.
(2) Outlook and Outlook Express are very insecure, and basically invite spam. The jury is still out on Vista's Windows Mail, but given Microsoft's history with email programs, extreme caution is advised. Possible replacements include Mozilla Thunderbird, Eudora, The Bat, and dozens of others.
(3) When it doubt over whether or not to allow some program, use Google to find out what it is and whether or not it needs access to the Internet. Otherwise, denying access is the safest course of action, since you can always change the rule later.
(4) On Windows your options include: Mozilla Firefox, Seamonkey, Opera, Flock, Chrome, and Safari. I would personally recommend Firefox with the NoScript extension for added security, but it the important thing is to pick one and use it instead of IE.
(5) AVG Free and Avast are available if you need a decent free virus scanner
(6) XP/Vista's firewall is probably good enough for 99% of all Windows users, but other options include ZoneAlarm, Outpost Firewall, and Comodo. If you have a router with a firewall built into it, there is no need for any of the aforementioned firewalls to be running.
(7) Microsoft's usual system is to release security updates every second Tuesday of the month.
(Cool Use of Windows Update on Windows operating systems prior to Windows Vista requires Internet Explorer, and is thus a valid exception to the "No IE" rule.
(9) Service packs should ALWAYS be installed. They frequently contain security updates that will ONLY be found in that service pack.
(10) You can go with a full fledged backup program, or simply copying important files onto a CD/DVD/Flash drive.
(11) I'd recommend a tiered backup system. For example, you might have 5 rewritable DVDs, and every day you burn your backup onto a new disc. On the 6th day, you erase the disc for Day #1 for your backup, and so on so that you have multiple backups should one disc ever go bad.
(12) Replace rewritable CDs and DVDs approximately every 3-6 months.
(13) These dramatically increase the size of email messages (2-3X minimum) and clog up email servers already straining to cope with the flood of spam pouring in daily.
(14) If you want to share photos with friends/family, upload them to some photo sharing site like Flickr or Google's Picasa Web and then send people a link to that particular photo gallery.
(15) This is considered to be the same as SHOUTING and many people find it to be hard to read along with highly annoying.
(16) Unless the goal is to make yourself look like a pre-adolescent girl, or someone overcompensating for their gross inadequacies, and you don't want people to take you seriously.
(17) Most REAL hackers are quite content to leave you alone unless you make them take notice of you. No dinky little software firewall or consumer grade router is going to keep them out of your system. So do not go to some hacker website or chat room and start shooting your mouth off unless you're prepared to accept the consequences
(1Cool Most of these programs are scams, and sell you something you don't need. Most of them report non-issues in an attempt to boost the number of "issues". Sometimes using these programs can lead to a non-functioning computer.
(19) The Windows registry is not some mystical black box of untapped performance tweaks for Windows, that will lead to untold improvements in system performance. Most of the tweaks will lead to very modest performance gains of 1-2% tops, and probably less than 10% all combined. There is also a good chance that you will render your system unbootable if you make a mistake when editing. Registry default settings are set that way for a reason. Just do yourself a favor, and forget you ever heard of the Windows registry unless you are a computer programmer/debugger and your job requires knowledge of the registry.
(20) Acer now owns Gateway and eMachines
(21) HP owns Compaq
(22) Hardware failures seem far more common with these brands than can be considered normal
(23) These companies use cheap labor in Asian countries were working conditions are often what would be considered sweat shops, and are run by brutal dictatorships, which you are supporting by buying from these companies
(24) If you just do some simple math, and realize that the cost of individual components like the CPU are around 25-33% of the total retail cost of the system, and everyone involved in the making and selling of the system is looking to make a profit, how much money can they possibly be making on each system. And if you're only making a few pennies on every system, how much quality control do you really think is going to go into the manufacturing process?

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not much help there, but thanks for the irony
Jan 31, 2011 1:19AM PST

Well, thanks but this doesn't help much, does it?! First of all, this is not my computer (I probably should have mentioned it), so I don't know exactly which of the above Shouldn't do's the actually owner did do to get infested, but I'll sure pass the message on, so they won't do it again. Second of all, I did try to clean the system, but sadly Kaspersky doesn't seem to want to update to help me with this task, so my first question would be there - any ideas how I can get it to work and do its job? My second problem is that Windows downs't seem to see any of the drivers (so I couldn't format anything, could I?) when I try to install it. I don't know whether is this is a virus-related problem or if it would do the same thing even if the computer were clean. Any ideas why this is happenning and what I could do?
Thanks!

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Why Not Perform A Clean Install Of Win 7
Jan 31, 2011 2:23AM PST

It will delete the current partition, allowing you to create a new one, then format the new partition, and install Windows 7.. Boot the system with the Win7 disc in the drive, which will boot from the DVD, and it should give you the correct options to format the disc, etc. Of course, you'll need to find all the appropriate Win7 drivers for the machine you're fixing but it would certainly clean up any viruses on the machine and allow Windows 7 to start from scratch..

You will lose all of the data on the computer previously...and you'll need to reinstall all the programs wanted on the computer, but it fixes your issue without needing to run any cleanup tools.

Click on the link below, then select the blue "Using the Custom installation option and formatting the hard disk" link on the page for specific instructions:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/Installing-and-reinstalling-Windows-7

Hope this helps.

Grif

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thanks
Jan 31, 2011 3:08AM PST

Thanks, I will give it a try!

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no no
Jan 31, 2011 3:14AM PST

It's actually clean installing that I tried in the first place and it didn't work. I already saved all the data, so I was ready for complete reformatting an' all. When I got to the point of choosing a driver in the installation process, there aren't any options at all. It simply doesn't see the drivers.

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No Driver Necessary During A Clean Install
Jan 31, 2011 8:37AM PST

Drivers/Updated drivers aren't needed till AFTER the operating system is on the machine. (But YES, you will eventually need drivers after Windows 7 is installed. I'll recommend you download those FIRST for the computer from the computer manufacturer's website. Of course, I'll hope that you've already checked Microsoft's Compatibility web page to confirm the computer is capable of using Win7?) As mentioned in the link I provided earlier, you place the disc in the driver, reboot the computer, then press "Any Key" when asked, then select the "Custom" option to continue. The link below will show you each screen you should see when performing the installation using a Windows 7 DVD.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2354687,00.asp

Hope this helps.

Grif

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thanks
Jan 31, 2011 3:51PM PST

Yes, checked compatibilty, that's not the issue. Thanks for your help, I will give it a new try. Hope it'll work!