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Vatican decries "secular society"

by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / November 5, 2004 2:10 AM PST
`Secularism' in Europe vexes Vatican.
This is a problem I have with the 20% of voters who cited "moral values" as being paramount, and favored Bush by 4:1. By Amendment 1 of the Bill of rights, ours is a secular society. That doesn't mean it's atheistic, or valueless -- but it does mean that religiously motivated values should not be forced on those who don't share the religion. Any other stance is literally unconstitutional.

As for the Vatican's concerns, I disagree with the French law as well, and it would in fact violate our First Amendment's right to the free exercise of religion.

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Good article; thanks for the link
by drpruner / November 5, 2004 7:15 AM PST

Did you notice all the references to the violent conflicts of the past? Perhaps it's 'reaping what they sowed.'

In any case, I have no patience nor sympathy with any nominal Christian fretting about an attack by governments against "God." (By which they mean, "my Church.") If their god isn't powerful enough to handle that, they should get a new one - or throw in their lot with secular governments.

Regards, Doug in New Mexico

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You can't really believe that ...
by Bill Osler / November 5, 2004 8:14 AM PST
... religiously motivated values should not be forced on those who don't share the religion. Any other stance is literally unconstitutional.

You have claimed elsewhere that you made your choice of political affiliation based on the values you learned from your religion. Now you are claiming that other people do not have the same right? Get real.

Let's see now. Choice of political party is a controversial question. It involves political decisions and it affects legislation at the Federal level. Not everybody agrees with the ethical underpinning of the party's platform. I cannot allow my political beliefs to affect my legislative agenda. It follows, then, that if your religion makes you support the Democrats that joining the Democratic party is unconstitutional. After all, you wouldn't want to shove your religious agenda down anybody's throat, would you?

I understand that you are trying to attack Mr. Bush for his stand on abortion and stem cell research. Do not forget, however, that the abortion issue can be summarized very nicely without any reference to religion. Similarly for the stem cell debate. One does not have to invoke religion to justify a "right to life", nor does one require a religious basis for skepticism of the appropriateness of rushing into stem cell research. Are you now going to claim that these non-religious formulations are unconstitutional because they can also be supported by religious faith? Bring on the "Thought Police" and lets have an inquisition! All religiously inspired laws must go! If you follow through on that logic, you will also have to abandon MOST of the rest of the US legal code and ALMOST ALL social programs.

Open your eyes, Dave.
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(NT) (NT) Well said, Bill, Thanks.........
by Mac McMullen / November 5, 2004 9:03 AM PST
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So, by voting one way
by EdH / November 5, 2004 10:28 AM PST

I am forcing my values on others, but by voting YOUR way I am doing the right thing?

Nice try. Keep digging.

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