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I heard that on the news.

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As I recall, a significant percentage was from illegal drug issues.

Just last week a group of prisoners were sent to my state from California because of overcrowding there.

Those committing crimes have been part of the world's populations forever, and will continue to be so. It looks like we will be building prisons for a long time to come as there will be plenty of felons to fill them up.

No doubt there have been successful alternate programs. Here those convicted of DUIs clean the streets. It might not prevent them driving under the influence again, but it helps to keep our streets clean.

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The major reason for the increase

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is the draconian laws for non-violent drug users. Instead of getting them into rehab, lock them up for 20 years with no parole. Murders usually don't get that much. So, if you want to ever get out of jail, do something violent rather than use drugs.


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Another way to look at it.

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... is that without drug users there wouldn't be drug lords, drug suppliers, murders committed over drug turfs, burglaries to get money, guns and goods to sell to support their habit, and drugs being smuggled into this country by land, sea, and air, all felonious,

So those who are engaged in a minor use are supporting them all up the ladder. And we all pay the price.

However, there is one judge here who holds "Drug Court" for minor offenderes, with a better than 60% success rate through treatment and public service.

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That was the original reasoning behind the sentencing

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The problem is that it doesn't work. Drugs are just as easy to get in jail as elsewhere. That's like saying, if we jail all the fat people, there won't be any fat people. The answer isn't jail but rehab.

I don't know how many times I've heard that someone wanted to enter rehab but there was a waiting list or no insurance or whatever. Those that want to go in should be able to walk in. Also don't condemn if there is a relapse. How many times did you go on a diet and ate the wrong thing or too much? It happens and you go back on the wagon.


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RE walkin drug centers

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Perhaps so, but if you're going to substitute drug rehab for prison, there should be a mandatory length of time.

I've thought we should build what are basically prison/rehab combinations for just drug offenders/users. There would be a high security area for the first 90 days at least. I'm uncertain as to the proper length for each "step".

After the first segment, inmate patients would be put to work as staff in the facility, still with no release from the grounds, but perhaps with an move to less secure part of the living quarters. After a much longer period (6 months? a year?), they'd be allowed a work release program, still required to be back at the center every night (or day if night work, etc), and given regular and random drug testing.

After an extensive time of work release without reuse of drugs, they could be considered by something like a parole board for release.

Any use along the way, the entire time and program starts over.


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What kind of drug use?

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You've alluded to the difference that at the least should be assessed too.
Not everyone who uses a drug not prescribed to them is addicted to it. Many
who use drugs constantly ARE addicted to it and it would be nice if they
could have some help overcoming that weakness, but what of the "recreational"
drug user who never becomes addicted and is just an occassional user?

In the late 60's and through the 70's I had friends that would occassionally
smoke a joint, but they weren't addicted to it anymore than those today
who occassionally have a drink or two. There seems to be some mindset that
everyone using an illegal drug is addicted to it? What of those using pharma
produced drugs without a prescription? Are they truly any worse than the
person who obtained their drugs with a prescription? What if the person
with the prescription is addicted to the drug in addition to having a
valid use for it? Are they better than the person who isn't addicted to
the drug but uses it once in a while without benefit of a prescription?
Many people today don't even know some of the strongest drugs that are
on the highest restriction in this country were once readily available
without a prescription years before and yet there was less a problem
caused by their use then than now? What's causing the biggest problem today?
Perception. The perceptions given by those interested in continuing the War
on Drugs, in continuing to enhance government power over our personal lives,
and continuing to want more and more money to flow into legal, judicial, penal,
and police coffers all across this country. It's the ones who keep telling
you how much you need them to clean up America from drugs who are actually
the greatest threat to American and have been for last half century.

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War on Drugs is War on America

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It's the War on Drugs that sets up the situation for all the truly
criminal element that you mention providing this supply of drugs to the
users. It's their actions which provides the opportunity for profit. It's
the governments own violence and heavy use of power that escalates the
retaliation against them. It's the same system that the Prohibition Act
created in the firstpart of the last century, and it will be considered just
as foolish and ill conceived by future generations in this country.
Jesus would say now as before," There is nothing from without a man,
that entering into him can defile him: but the things which come out
of him, those are they that defile the man." (mark 7:15)

We have people who have a valid need for pain drugs who don't receive
what they should because their doctor may be worried he'll end up on
some list of doctors monitored as suspicious of "over prescribing" such
drugs. Welcome to the federal government intrusion into your health care
and doctor-patient confidentiality.

This criminal War on Drugs policy has been used to all sorts of excess of
power by government in this country to justify things such as property
seizures the like of which King George of Revolutionary times may never
have done himself. The War on Drugs and those involved in it are the criminals
now and they all need to be removed from power if they will not change. Maybe
we can put them in some sort of rehabilitation center until they understand the
concepts of personal freedom again. Maybe we can follow their example and toss
them into jail for years since they are responsible for deliberately breaking up
families, incarcerating non violent people, confiscating the goods and property
of others without justified cause, creating economic hardship through legal costs
of defense for citizens. I'm sure we can come up with a very extensive list
of their crimes against America, and probably justify more jail time for
them than they could ever truthfully justify for what they've done over
the years to destroy others.

This is also why NO CITIZEN should ever be deprived of their vote due to
any crime committed nor while serving in jail either, with possibly the exception
of those who are convicted of murder. Just think what a difference a
2-3% change of the national vote from giving the vote back to those
convicted of felonies, give them back their eternal right as a CITIZEN
to vote.

Consider the economic cost to tax payers who pay for this travesty of justice.
How much longer must we continue to pay for the prosecution of every person]
caught with a joint or two, then cost for their incarceration (which includes
the cost of new prisons being built to house them all), then cost of their
parole and probation periods? Once they are released they often have to
start all over again and many find the setback so daunting that even though
they weren't involved in activities such as burglary, shoplifting, other forms
of theft, some fall into it after prison, where they received their
education on it from other inmates. Resentment on their part? Hell yes! They hurt
no one, but had a huge load of legal crap dropped on them, handed a record that
interferes with many jobs they seek after, were deprived of their freedom needlessly,
many seen a spouse grow away from them during their incarceration and often
their children too, and then treated like second class citizens when they've
supposedly "paid their debt to society" a debt they never owed.

The War on Drugs is the new Prohibition of our present age and used for the
same purpose which is to increase federal power over citizens and to
further deprive them of their freedoms, rights, and voting power and
brings all citizens into the danger of losing more rights.

Now we also have the Patriot Act, my god.........

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(NT) Repeal drug laws, problem solved!

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