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US losing scientific leadership

US Supremacy in Science Seen Slipping.
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This isn't important because I work in science, it's important because our scientific leadership has been the engine for our entrepreneurship and job creation. If we lose our footing in science, those high-paying high-tech jobs will be created in China, Europe, and Australia -- not here.

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Maybe the NEA ...

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... and public school establishment should wake the ****** up!!! It starts early on. Quite frankly, your attitude towards the Pharmaceutical industry is quite disconcerting as well. When I graduated with my degree in Bio, even industry was only paying about $20K. Now Bio and Chem majors that don't go to Med school can actually get rewarded for their effort (without begging Government for their living either). Get those price controls instituted and you can kiss those jobs g'bye!

Evie Happy

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Convert High (I)Q non-U.S. Citz into U.S. Citz w/Grad Degree

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I clicked on and read the article. It was good. What hit me about it is it was not so much about the U.S. losing scientific leadership as much as it was about how, because of new bureaucratic policies and processing structures, the U.S. is loosing its ability to convert High (I)Q non-U.S. citizens into U.S. citizens with graduate degrees.

A foreign graduate student permanently ?pushed away? is a non-U.S. citizen for life.

Konisky is partially correct when he characterizes U.S. bureaucrats saying, ?No bureaucrat wants to make a mistake and approve a visa for someone that comes to this country and causes a problem?so they tend to be very conservative.? He is dead right about bureaucrats. But when he adds ??and that's good.? He is dead wrong.

Bush science adviser, John Marburger says ?This has very high visibility in Washington, all the way up to the president." If true and if changes to streamline visa problems, including adding staff in U.S. consular offices abroad, happen it will be a good thing.

But as Clinton science adviser, Neal Lane said, "Unfortunately, there's no silver bullet"

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Converting non-US student to US citizen

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(1) Why should we have to import high IQ in the first place?

(2) LONG before the current rules changes, foreign students either got their educations here and returned home, or remained here on extended work/study visas without ever becoming American citizens either in spirit or name.

If we don't address this at the root of the problem -- bureaucracy and ineffective education policy at the grade school level -- no amount of importing talent is going to change the tide.

Evie Happy

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Re: Converting non-US student to US citizen

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Importing non-U.S. citizen with High IQ's and/or strong backs is an American tradition. Think waves of indentured English citizens, waves of Irish, Scots and German citizens, waves of African (via Slavery) citizens, waves of Chinese citizens, waves of Eastern European citizens and todays more sophisticated pseudo-wave of non-U.S. citizens being imported from South America, Asia, Eurasia and Eastern Europe.

Those people that don't become American citizens after grad school, must not like it here or they wouldn't pass up the chance to stay here as citizens. I wouldn't want to force anyone to stay here that doesn't like our system. As for me, I love it here. I've traveled the world extensively and there's a lot I'd like to see improved in the U.S., but I never visited any place on the planet, including all the EU counties and the U.K., and none can top living in the U.S., even with all our warts and system flaws. By my standards, most are either too poor or too socialist or both.

We should not only "address" the bloated education bureaucracy and ineffective associated education policies that currently (mis)function at the grade and high school level...we should take positive action. But High IQ, ambitious foreigners aren't the ones to blame for the Education System in the U.S. The student visa'ed foreigners that I know, do their darnest to get green cards, and then work at process of staying here to became U.S. citizens.

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