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US goes crazy on Indian diplomat

by James Denison / December 27, 2013 11:27 PM PST
This is nuts from the beginning of it all. Arresting someone and treating them like this on an allegation? Forget that she's a diplomat and ask if any American citizen should be treated the same? a non violent crime but the person accused treated like a violent criminal might be? "police procedure and policy" is an excuse, not a right, nor reason. From "serve and protect" to "arrest and abuse".

"The case has sparked a diplomatic furor between the United States and
India, which is incensed over what it describes as degrading treatment
of Khobragade....The U.S. Marshals Service confirmed it had strip-searched Khobragade
and placed her in a cell with other female defendants last Thursday,
saying the measures are "standard arrestee intake procedures."
Khobragade was charged with lying on a visa application, saying she
paid the housekeeper — an Indian national — $4,500 a month, but actually
paid her far below the minimum wage. She pleaded not guilty and was
released on $250,000 bail.
The case has sparked outrage across India, where the idea of an
educated, middle-class woman facing a strip-search is almost
unimaginable, except in the most brutal crimes..."


So, maybe we should have all those involved in this be strip searched in her presence just to show them how it feels? "Do unto others as you have have it done unto you!"
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What am I missing here?
by MarkFlax Forum moderator / December 28, 2013 5:17 PM PST

"Deyvani Khobragade was accused of paying her Indian housekeeper far less than she had claimed on a visa application"

Why were NY police bothered about what an Indian diplomat claimed she paid a worker on a visa application?

Mark

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I didn't get that one either
by James Denison / December 28, 2013 10:56 PM PST

I didn't know foreign workers on visa to serve at a diplomat's house was under the same wage laws as US Citizens.

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evidently they are, though I never thought about it
by Roger NC / December 29, 2013 12:15 AM PST

I wonder if lying on the visa application about the wage compounds the illegality and raises other legal issues about falsifying documents etc.

However, I don't see crimes of this nature needing this extreme a response.

Another case of just following the rules? sensible or not?

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Since when can Diplomats
by Glenda. / December 29, 2013 2:10 AM PST

be arrested? I have never heard of this before. Usually, even if they commit a violent crime all we can do is send them home.

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she was here on a visa
by James Denison / December 29, 2013 2:37 AM PST

not a diplomat passport I guess.

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WOW!
by Glenda. / December 29, 2013 3:25 AM PST
In reply to: she was here on a visa

Let's send John Kerry, Biden and Reid to India and see what happens Happy

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the housekeeper was definately on a visa, but
by Roger NC / December 29, 2013 4:41 AM PST
In reply to: she was here on a visa

the employer is named as a deputy consul general, which is certainly an officious sounding title. The embassy claims she does have diplomatic immunity.

The State Department claims her immunity is limited to functions in line with her consular duties. I never heard of immunity restrictions before. However my knowledge is limited to hearsay, tv news, even the false world of movies or tv drama where the rules would be adjusted to fit the plot.

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I ran into a couple of cases up here, where the immunity
by Ziks511 / December 31, 2013 12:19 AM PST

isn't absolute but is indeed tied to their duties. Yes, they can park anywhere they want and ignore the tickets because they will say that the trip and the parking were connected to consular duties, but the old Television and Movie "Diplomatic Immunity" line is far more complex than Hollywood makes it out to be. It may even be true that should an Ambassador commit a murder, he would either be discharged by the country represented by the Ambassador, or may be liable owing to "extreme and extra-consular circumstances".

Rob

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depends on the country and if he was working
by Roger NC / December 31, 2013 12:27 AM PST

for secret agencies and agendas or not whether they would turn an official over or just recall the official no matter what the crime.

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I'm not expert, not even near it, but
by Roger NC / December 29, 2013 4:35 AM PST

I think it's pretty normal that not all involved with an embassy to have immunity. I thought that was pretty well set by the embassy senior members up to the ambassador when they bought people into the country. I thought they submitted a list, or notified state department for additions, and those had to be approved by the state department before they were granted status.

This story says only senior diplomats, but I never heard that distinction before this.

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This is beyond stupid.
by Paul C / December 29, 2013 5:48 PM PST

The rules are simple, and everyone knows them - except, apparently, the U.S. government; accredited diplomats are accorded immunity and cannot be treated in this manner unless the diplomat's government removes his or her diplomatic status. If not, then the only really acceptable response is to declare the diplomat persona non grata and expel him or her.

This action opens the door to similar actions against American diplomatic personnel in India and elsewhere. I'm stunned that this Administration, which has gone out of its way make kissy face with every Third World government it sees while dissing long time allies such as Great Britain, Canada, Germany and especially Israel, would do this.

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While I think the rules about immunity need review.....
by Josh K / December 29, 2013 10:41 PM PST
In reply to: This is beyond stupid.

.....I agree that the treatment of this woman was excessive given the nature of the accusation against her. It's not like she was accused of a violent crime (for which diplomatic immunity should not apply).

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It's just a resurgence of the frontier mentality being pushd
by Ziks511 / January 5, 2014 7:16 AM PST

by Teapublicans. They're so ill informed they think Indians from India are Native American "Indians" and they're Custer and the Seventh Cavalry.

Not are they historically illiterate which I bemoan all the time, they're geographically illiterate, and operate in the Palin/Bachman/Cruz et al Fact Free Zone.

Rob

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you have absolutely nothing
by James Denison / January 5, 2014 7:19 AM PST

to back that up other than your prejudiced blatherings.

"Teapublicans. They're so ill informed they think Indians from India are Native American "Indians" and they're Custer and the Seventh Cavalry."

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(NT) Now that's totally out of park left field.
by Roger NC / January 5, 2014 8:36 AM PST
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