US Bombs Fallujah Mosque; More Than 40 Worshippers Killed...

Take a look at each of these to get an idea of the spin Dave's referring too.

Your original article from Common Dreams by Bassem Mroue and Abdul-Qader Saadi crediting the AP

The actual AP article at the AP's website
You'll notice the original is much smaller showing how much it was padded by Bassem Mroue and Abdul-Qader Saadi of Common Dreams

The same story from CNN with no credit to the AP
You'll notice this article points out the mosque itself was not hit, just one of the walls around the grounds of the mosque. It points out that this was the result of the marines being pinned down by fire from approximately 40 insurgents in the mosque. It also states that earlier reports claimed 40 dead but this report lists no dead at all.

BAGHDAD: (Pakistan) - Despite earlier reports indicating that up to 40 guerillas were killed in Wednesday's air strike on a mosque in Fallujah, a marine officer has admitted that soldiers had failed to find any bodies inside.
Hmmm, no bodies? None at all? No worshippers or fighters?


Your original article was quick to claim that U.S. marines fired rockets at a mosque filled with worshippers and that as many as 40 people were killed. Nowhere does it mention anyone firing from that mosque at the Marines. In the end we find that not only was the mosque not even hit, no one was killed either. FWIW, I stand by my original statement. If they want to use a mosque as a foxhole then we'l treat it like one, as a target!!!

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the most active individuals in here cannot stick to any subject. Probably they have difficulty following a five item shopping list.

Who cares how reliable the source is. It is the internet a place where anyone can report anything,copywright it,and giggling go on their way.

Clearly we either have to commit genocide in Iraq or get out of there. The English and French Crusaders found that out a 1000 years ago. We are fools if we think anything in that world has changed!

O yes one thing has changed. Oil was found there. If we kill and bury enough of them we may end up enriching the oil fields for future generations to run myriad Suv vehicles for a few months.

However that is my opinion and I am sure that it will not be answered by anyone as there is no website,not even one run by a subteen ager,which cares what I think!

More importantly it would be nice if more of you could think for themselves instead of following one spin line or another!

Thanks for the laugh today. I needed it more than you know and it helps alleviate the acid stomach I get from reading the other garbage spewed by so-called progressives lately.

"Clearly we either have to commit genocide in Iraq or get out of there."

Obviously we can't do either. It would go against everything America stands for. The fact that we invaded the country in the first place is shameful enough.

We can't leave now, we made too big a mess and we have to clean it up. Or at least make a showing that we have. Unfortunately we have unleashed a terrorism there that wasn't active before and I don't think now it will ever be stopped. Sadly I think you are right and in the long run there will be little changed in Iraq in the future. But then why should it be changed by us? It is the Iraqis' country to run anyway they choose.

johnah looked for a reason to complain and looked for a reason to fight. He knows as well as you and I do that the quotations that I made in my initial post were from two people who work for Associated Press:
Bassem Mroue and Abdul-Qader Saadi. They are both employees of the Associated Press and the article that I linked to and quoted were from AP (which johnah in his first post said was a lie!). johnjah didn't even mention the headline in his post where he basically calls me a liar. A liar is somebody who intentionally tells a lie. In my case I don't know if AP used that headline or not and didn't know about it when posting it either. jonja has a history of being antagonistic toward those who don?t agree with him and I happen to be one of them. His hate for me and those who are against the way Israel is handling the problems in the Middle East is beyond anything I have experienced. OTOH he is living in the middle of the war zone and that may explain part of his behavior toward those who disagree with him.

I think you have the responses mixed up. This software can make the threads pretty confusing.

My response to you was to clarify for you the spin Dave was referring to in his post to me above.

The post to which you responded is a reply to Blake where he tried to claim that the AP had changed the story at some point after CommonDreams used it. Pretty easy to disprove really since this story at SeattlePi posted on 4/7 and this story posted by Aljazeera on 4/7 still match the story posted by the AP on 4/7. The only copy that is different is the one at CommonDreams. IMO, they did a chop job on it and wrote their own headline to say "40 Worshippers Killed". I don't believe that the original AP story said this and then they changed it and everybody else that ran their story changed it too except for CommonDreams which is what it seems Blake would have me believe.

At any rate, I never said you lied. You did post a story that originated with the AP. Unfortunately that copy of the AP story was tainted. My post to you only provided links to the same story over time from a variety of sources you could see and make up your own mind. It was only posted to you to illustrate the spin Dave was referring to in his response to me about Aljazeera not telling the whole story sometimes. Take notice though that the Aljazeera article linked in this post does not claim that worshippers were killed even though it leaves out the part about insurgents firing from the mosque. That is a CommonDreams spin that Dave was claiming would be typical of Aljazeera's reporting since they often try to cast us in a bad light. In actuality it turns out that no one was killed in the incident to which you linked.

how much further you intend digging.....

think of this as a litmus test.....

you posted, and linked too, something from 'common dreams'....

you later claimed it was from 'AP'....

at no stage did i say that the article didn't originate from AP, but i DID say that what YOU posted did NOT originate from AP!

anybody who has clicked the links will know that A: the ORIGINAL AP headline was NOT what you posted and B: you posted the headline from 'common dreams'.....

i think i said before, if you had posted the AP site, most of this thread wouldn't be here....

and now to relate to some of your statements.....

your views on israel and the palestinians has no bearing on how i relate to posts made by you or your friends...

i live in israel, but, contrary to what you believe, it is not a war zone, in fact i just spent a very relaxing 2 days just 15K from gaza, and i didn't see or hear any evidence of a "war zone"....

this --> # A liar is somebody who intentionally tells a lie. In my case I don't know if AP used that headline or not and didn't know about it when posting it either# is no excuse, especially when the mistake was pointed out to you fairly early into this thread....

and finally, the letters of my name can be arranged in 720 different ways, have fun......

but "common dreams" used their own header.... that was the whole point of my posting...

if charley HAD quoted AP as he stated, most of this thread would never have been posted.....

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But then what would you have done with your spare time?

Hi, Jonah, how are you? I haven't seen too many posts by you lately. You haven't been ill have you?

NT