US Bombs Fallujah Mosque; More Than 40 Worshippers Killed...

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Re:US Bombs Fallujah Mosque; More Than 40 Worshippers Killed...

by gearup Apr 8, 2004 3:59AM PDT

These miserable people do not want to come into the 21st century. They have been brainwashed to accept the misery they live in and to fight for the control of it. We seem to have only two choices in the area. Pull out and let them slaughter each other,or,let our military loose and decimate the poulation and get it over with once and for all.. As long as they back their sword rattling with lives we have no alternative. Pulling out is really not possible at this point in time. So mass slaughter is apparently the course they want pursued and it is time we obliged them. One medium sized city reduced to rubble might get the message through to them,but even that might not suffice!

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Sounds like the same tactics used by Saddam Hussein..

by Rosalie Apr 8, 2004 6:19AM PDT

Let see now... why did we remove him?

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Re:US Bombs Fallujah Mosque; More Than 40 Worshippers Killed...

by Mark G Apr 8, 2004 4:37AM PDT

charlie those so called worshippers allso fired on us so now there dead worshippers.

see religion kills

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Can't keep from laughing... Mark ..

by Rosalie Apr 8, 2004 7:23AM PDT

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are you all ready for your drive to Atlanta tomorrow?

Hope you find just what you're looking for.

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Re:Can't keep from laughing... Mark ..

by Mark G Apr 8, 2004 11:19AM PDT

yup ready and ill watch out for mosques there dangerous

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So

by C1ay Apr 8, 2004 12:17PM PDT

If they want to use it as a foxhole we'll treat it as one. A mosque from which RPGs are fired at our troops is not a mosque, it is a target.

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Re:So

by Mark G Apr 8, 2004 12:32PM PDT

no its a ready made grave site

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The Real Truth...

by Blake Cook Apr 8, 2004 1:17PM PDT

Let's see. We invaded/occupied Iraq because:

1. Saddam invaded a neighbor state? Yes in 1991. But he's stayed within his borders ever since the end of the Gulf War...

2. Iraq had chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons? No, everyone from both the UN and US inspectors say they never existed. Even GW and Powell now claim the cooked and cherry-picked "intelligence" was wrong...

3. Iraq and Al Qaeda were allied against us? Nope again. There is no evidence that Al Qaeda and Saddam had any connections. In fact, OBL considered Saddam an enemy too...

4. Saddam tried to kill GW's daddy? GW and his administration flatly denied that this was the reason...

5. Saddam was a bad man and we are there to liberate Iraqis? That doesn't seem to be the case after all since we are now willing to kill any and all Sunnis and Shias who stand in our way, who just happen to represent over 90% of the Iraqi population. Maybe we are only interested in liberating the Kurds? What happens if they turn against us too???

6. Iraq has the 2nd largest oil reserves in the world? Since the US is highly addicted to oil and oil reserves are quickly dwindling, it seems that this is the most likely reason for invading and occupying Iraq. Maybe it's time for GW to level with the American people and tell them the real truth for his misguided and costly agenda...

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Re: #6

by Evie Apr 9, 2004 1:15AM PDT

Have you traded your gas guzzler in for a Toyota Prius yet?

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You may not know about it Evie...

by Charlie Thunell PL&T Apr 9, 2004 3:28AM PDT

but there is more than cars that consumes oil although indirectly. For example dish washers...

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Oh I know all about it Donald ...

by Evie Apr 9, 2004 3:44AM PDT

... and my conservatism extends beyond my politics. Blake OTOH rails at everyone else's addiction to oil but does not lead by example.

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Re:You may not know about it Evie...So does the water heater Charlie !!!

by Glenda Apr 9, 2004 5:52AM PDT

So when are you going to start taking cold showers????
Seems to me you are awfully jealous that Evie has a dishwasher, If you ask me, you should either buy your wife one or shut up about it!
Glenda

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Cold showers are good sometimes...

by Charlie Thunell PL&T Apr 9, 2004 6:11AM PDT

"... you should either buy your wife one or shut up about it! - Glenda

I'm sorry but I would never buy it for my wife exclusively since we both are responsible for the household and the cleaning. Seems as if you haven't realized that we have reached year 2004...

Regarding cold showers, I bet you have taken a few. I would if I lived where you are (unless you moved to Canada of course). Apart from refreshing it makes you wake up?

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Re: So

by Dave Konkel [Moderator] Apr 8, 2004 1:15PM PDT

Hi, Clay.

>> A mosque from which RPGs are fired at our troops is not a mosque, it is a target. <<
By the rules of war, you're correct. The problem is that we're not only in a war, we're fighting for the "hearts and minds," not of those particular Muslims, but for others. First problem, many of those inside are probably innocent worshippers who know nothing about the guy with the RPG. Second problem, unscrupulous (to put it mildly) extremists can use that approach to intentionally cause civilian casualties that will further enrage the populace and Muslims watching elsewhere. Third problem is that Al Jazeera doesn't tell the Muslims about the guy with the RPG; they just blare "Americans attack mosque," much like Charlie. So while militarily justified, the attack probably isn't very smart. This whole messy situation could have been avoided if we'd never invaded in the first place...

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
click here to email semods4@yahoo.com

The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

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Re:Re: So

by C1ay Apr 8, 2004 1:21PM PDT

if we'd never invaded in the first place...

Another that would have the Iraqi people endure their cruel existence ad infinitum...

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Re: So

by David Evans Apr 8, 2004 1:21PM PDT

As was said on Fox yesterday, you can't win the hearts and minds of the heartless and mindless.

If they use a mosque as a military installation it becomes a target, that's that. They can police their own if they choose to do so. If not, they have no room to complain, regardless of what Al Jazeera (the CNN of that area) says about it. They too need a Fox network.

DE

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What are you talking about?

by Charlie Thunell PL&T Apr 8, 2004 2:09PM PDT

"... they just blare "Americans attack mosque," much like Charlie." ? Dave Konkel

What are you talking about Dave? Where did I say these things? I quoted Associated Press! I didn't say a word! I understand it is hard for you to agree with me on some issues without jeopardizing your friendship with some of the regulars, but I strongly feel you went way over the line here, although the neo-Cons will commend you for disagreeing with me and for attacking me, saying that I just blare things. I hope the neo-Cons? bed is comfortable...

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I quoted Associated Press! I didn't say a word!

by jonah jones Apr 8, 2004 5:13PM PDT

i don't know how it goes with you charley, but when i see someone tell a lie, i have this terrible urge to say "liar" .....

BUT, so as to save us another rant about ToS and a whining post about "why is he alllowed to call an SE member a liar?", it'll suffice to say "you did NOT, i repeat, DID NOT quote Associated Press"....

the original AP article can be seen here
http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IRAQ_MOSQUE_ATTACK?SITE=APWEB&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

maybe it's time you realised that being a member of a "progressive community" also implies the ability to think for yourself, this in itself implies the ability to voice ones own ideas and not regurgitate the sour milk you suck from the teats of "common dreams".....

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by Charlie Thunell PL&T Apr 8, 2004 5:54PM PDT

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Published on Wednesday, April 7, 2004 by the Associated Press...

by Blake Cook Apr 8, 2004 6:05PM PDT

maybe it's time you realised that being a member of a "progressive community" also implies the ability to think for yourself, this in itself implies the ability to voice ones own ideas and not regurgitate the sour milk you suck from the teats of "common dreams"..... - jonah jones

Hey Jonah,

Since you are bound and determined to hate anything and everything posted on CommonDreams.org, you may not be aware that very few articles are written by the kind folks at CommonDreams.org. If you look carefully at the article provided by Charlie, at the top you will see these curious little words "Published on Wednesday, April 7, 2004 by the Associated Press". You may not understand these words, but they clearly state that the article came from the Associated Press...

Charlie is correct by what he says. You may enjoy calling people liars, but it might be better if you came down off the mount once in a while so that you can learn to socialize a bit better. Just because you want just about everyone to be your enemy if they don't agree with you or your views, not everyone will oblige you. You've been in a war zone far too long for your own good...

Here is Charlie's link again just so you don't have to go back to his post again to check it out...

US Bombs Fallujah Mosque; More Than 40 Worshippers Killed

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Re:Published on Wednesday, April 7, 2004 by the Associated Press...

by jonah jones Apr 8, 2004 7:47PM PDT

if you know WHERE, and WHEN it was published, you will also know that charlei DID NOT quote AP, he quoted common dreams, did you follow the link i supplied? did you read what WAS published at AP?

Apr 7, 9:58 AM EDT
40 Said Killed in Iraq Mosque Compound...

IF your buddy HAD quoted AP, we would have read that and NOT his header from a blatantly anti-US site.....

so.......if he still says "i quoted AP" what is he....

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by Blake Cook Apr 9, 2004 1:41AM PDT

if you know WHERE, and WHEN it was published, you will also know that charlei DID NOT quote AP, he quoted common dreams, did you follow the link i supplied? did you read what WAS published at AP? - jonah jones

Jonah, I realize that there are many slow learners out there so I won't hold it against you if you don't get it on the first try. Let's continue looking at the article linked to by Charlie. Not only does it have the little section at the top that says "Published on Wednesday, April 7, 2004 by the Associated Press", it also has this little piece at the bottom that says: "

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by jonah jones Apr 9, 2004 2:04AM PDT

"common dreams" christ can't swim.....

see the difference now?....

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by Blake Cook Apr 9, 2004 2:22AM PDT

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Read Clay's post ...

by Evie Apr 9, 2004 2:29AM PDT

... before making more of an a_ss of yourself! On second thought ...

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I Won't Hold It Against You Though...

by Blake Cook Apr 9, 2004 2:40AM PDT

Read Clay's post before making more of an a_ss of yourself! On second thought... - Evie

I wouldn't even attempt to try to look as foolish as you Evie. Clay made some incorrect assumptions in his post, thinking that the AP only reported once on the event and never updated or modified its story as the events played out. It appears that you are making the same incorrect assumptions. I won't hold it against you though...

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Re:I Won't Hold It Against You Though...

by C1ay Apr 9, 2004 4:06AM PDT

Clay made some incorrect assumptions in his post, thinking that the AP only reported once on the event and never updated or modified its story as the events played out.

You really want us to believe that the AP published a story and timestamped it Apr 7, 9:58 AM EDT and that the have since updated and/or modified the story but not the timestamp? Can you substantiate your accusation against them or is this just an assumption on your part?

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Re: What are you talking about?

by Dave Konkel [Moderator] Apr 9, 2004 12:56AM PDT

Hi, Charlie.

While the body of the report is from the AP, each newspaper/media outlet typically writes its own headline. BTW, I'm not alone in my concern about this -- former Democratic Senator Bob Kerrey, a member of the 9/11 Commission, said much the same to Condy Rice yesterday.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
click here to email semods4@yahoo.com

The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

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Bob Kerry's behavior was disgusting

by Evie Apr 9, 2004 1:26AM PDT

... I can only imagine if any of the Republican Senators had treated Anita Hill in this manner

Cutting her off, then having the nerve to accuse her (she who was called to ANSWER questions) of fillibustering HIM and taking his time up?? Who had the nerve to tell her she could have plenty of time to answer the questions behind closed doors? Who called her Dr. Clark he was so flustered?

The terrorists know there is a yellow-bellied appeasement faction in this country. They count on it. That's why the cowards hide in mosques or behind human shields. Speaking of which, they ran back to safety pretty quickly didn't they. But I digress. Our efforts to minimize civilian casualties have not been praised, they have been ridiculed as ineffective by the same who would be flying high the pictures of collateral damage had we not gone in with more brute force.

Sigh

Evie

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But you blamed me...

by Charlie Thunell PL&T Apr 9, 2004 2:10PM PDT

Hi Dave,

Did I say it? The answer is no. No matter who said it (AP or Common Dreams) it was not me which you stated in your post. Your "accusation" is not correct no matter how much you try to blame me for it!

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