I have a second gen Zune 80 and it's what replaced my ZV:M. The wireless is useful, but it's only for syncing your media library (at this point anyways). The Archos is big and expensive, but it is closer to a true browsing experience. There's a video on YouTube that's not bad at showing the 605's internet browsing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zwe6BCjLoM