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I saw this earlier
I've made sure to watch it several times to make sure I really take in what's happening. I always feel sick by the time it's over. I can almost understand the police tasing the guy the first time, but FOUR (maybe more, anybody got a good count?) times? That's absurd. The police had no right to go to that extent. I am further upset at the fact that the police would not give their information to the surrounding students, instead offering up taser shots.
Anyways, I agree with how good it is to have a medium like youtube so that people can become more aware of such occurrences more rapidly and on a wider scale.
I hope that real justice comes out of this.
Both sides are to blame
IMO the YouTube doesn't show enough of what went on but here is what I make of that so far:
Why the Guy is at fault:
1. Guy was asked to provide ID. He didn't.
2. Guy was asked to leave. He didn't.
3. Guy was warned before being tasered. Guy continued to act like an idiot and got a deserving INITIAL voltage.
I suspect he will be charged with resisting arrest, trespassing and probably just for grins throw in a assaulting an officer charge.
Why the Police is at fault:
1. Why in the world do you taser a guy 4 times? If you've ever been stunned by one of those things (by the way, NOT A PLEASANT EXPERIENCE), you go down fast and hard and will probably not get up for a while. I cannot for the life of me understand why the police would ask to get up after getting hit by a taser and not just drag him off. Campus Police are the suck anyway.
People, if the police ask you to do something don't argue with them and do it. Police enforce the law and are not the to discuss and interpret policy with you. That's the courts job. If you want to argue with the police and yell at them like a moron then I advise you to watch the video again.
I don't feel sorry for the guy who got tasered since he'll probably end up with a crazy insane court settlement. He'll be on the beaches sipping Coronas and singing the polices' praises in no time.
Agree with your entire post. I doubt he will get much of a settlement on this one, but one never knows now adays.
The only thing I want to mention is that the student was on his way out when the police grabbed him (when the youtube video starts). I think that under those circumstances, the police should have explained that they were going to escort the student out (without grabbing him). Then, if he would have given them any crap, they could take additional measures.
Here's an article
I think this thread should probably be locked, cuz it really only relates to technology with respect to YouTube. Unless we start talking bout tasers, then this thread would be appropriate...and freakin sweet!
It is technology
It is a form of technology and is relatively new to the police force. Technology is beyond the scope of computers.
Cops should have to go through it too.
To make cops think before tasering someone they should get tasered themselves. US troops are put through non-lethal gas attacks to experience what it's like. It sucks for them, but at least they come out learning something.
I don't think cops know what it's like to get tasered (at least most of them), and thus they use the weapon on people as if it's of no consequence. In that situation they should have just tackled the dumb kid and dragged him out. Instead they treated him like an animal, made themselves look like bad guys (which they were), and ran the risk of getting mobbed by the pissed off by-standers. Those cops are dumb. If they had started a riot (which it looked like they were close to doing) they could have been killed. Those cops should be tasered and fired.
All police who use taser guns go thru a course. One of the first things they do is be subjected to a tazer hit.
Perhaps it should happen more often then.
Why would they use the tazer rather then simply over powering the kid handcuffing him and dragging him out?! Tazers are a way of incapacitating someone so they cannot harm an officer. They aren't supposed to be used for punishment as seen in the video. The kid was not armed (or else the cops would have their guns drawn). Nor was he in shape, after the first tazering, of harming anyone he couldn't even get up. A cop can't taser someone for not standing up. The cop can arrest him.
Those cops really did a bad job of handling that situation, and clearly let aggression take control of their actions.
I agree the video doesn't show much, but what you can hear is a kid that was down being repeatedly tazered for not standing up after being disabled! The reaction of the other students is strong evidence that what was happening wasn't right. The video isn't all about what you see it's about what you can hear, and what can you perceive.
Even if the cops were right in tazering the kid, they still put themselves in a potentially bad spot. After the crowd got crazy they should have picked the tazered kid up and got out, and oh yeah... definitely not threatened bystanders!
You are right
The point of using a tazer on someone is only supposed to be used when the police feel threatened by the situation. After the first time the kid was on the ground. The police had to upper hand after the first time. They were no longer in much danger from the kid due to the fact that he was on the ground.
The police used it as a means of trying to take control, but all it did was make other students mad making the situation worse.
kids are idiots
First of all, there is not nearly enough information in that video to justify any kind of an opinion about it's contents. Who knows why the police were there in the first place. Was he on PCP and assaulting or threatening other students or staff? The Police don't play nice with violent individuals, and nor should they. Unfortunately that kid is a victim of his own petty first-world problems and (oh my gosh!) he got tasered for being a giant ******. What's funnier is that the tards standing around were acting all upset because they couldn't get one of the arresting officers to stop what he was doing and hand out his badge number. I worked in EMS for years and had to show up on crowded scenes and wrestle violent people with the police in front of a mob of idiots all clammoring about brutality. I'd rather save mentally deranged people from themselves by forcefully apprehending them than allow them to severely hurt someone else (or me.)
SHOULD HAVE MADE IT 5 TIMES..
Bottom line.. kid wouldnt have gotten tasered 4 dang times if he had complied in the beginning.
the part left out is that this kid ALSO was trying to rile everyone else up at the time to get them to resist the showing of ID's also.
bet he will think twice about that wont he.
those campus police were well within their duties.
It is not the duty of any officer to administer punishment no matter how dumb the guy in question is. It is the duty of the officer to maintain peace and make sure no one steps outside the boundaries of the law. It is the job of Jury to decide whether or not the guy is guilty of being dumb, and up to a judge to administer the punishment.
The officer's in this situation stepped far outside the boundaries of their laws and continued to punish the kid when he might not have been able to comply. The kid got blasted and thus couldn't stand up, but the cops kept punishing him for not doing so. The kid was stuck in a catch 22 (kinda).
Even if you think the kid was dumb and deserved being tazered the decision to punish the kid was not for the cops to make.
The cops were clearly disrespectful, out of control, and unlawful.
I hope the kid learned to listen to the cops too!
It's simple cause and effect...
His shenanigans = Cause.
getting his disobidient hide shocked = the effect.
Anyone who has had to be in a position of authority knows, sometimes you have to make an example of someone inorder to keep the masses in line.
Im sure the other kids in that library thought twice about "uprising" after watching our friend get his hide Zzzzzkt'd.
The kid wasnt punished, he was properly subdued.
key word being Properly
Properly subdued would be zapping him once, not multiple time. He was on the ground from the first zap on. The rest of the time the police were just pulling on him
Has anyone here been tasered a few times before and were you
able to stand right up easily?
Student claims he was victim of racial profiling, plans suit
Granted, we can not fully understand what transpired at the library based solely on the video. However I do think that after being shocked once with the taser, the student could have been carried out by a handful of officers without further incident.
The student, Mostafa Tabatabainejad, did not want to display his student ID to the community service officer because he believed he was the victim of racial profiling because of his Middle Eastern appearance. Tabatabainejad has already hired an attorney and plans on filing a lawsuit claiming his civil rights were violated.
An internal investigation is being conducted by the UCLA. While civil liberties group are calling for an independent investigation.
An LA Times link below
Press release by UCLA's chancellor Abrams
Sounds like a real winner...
This guy sounds like a real winner. I was being racially profiled....but I still was an idiot and refused to show my ID just to be difficult. Good luck with the suit buddy.
With a name like that he is obviously of terrorist descent!
The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence!
DROP THE WEAPON!
Poor Videography, Dramatic Audio
"Caution. This video is graphic, please use discretion before jumping."
I could see nothing in the video that I would assess as being probative, nor anything that I would deem to meet the definition of being "graphic."
The audio did contain a lot of dramatic sound and fury, signifying mostly nothing.
As CNETizen [i[kwahhn concisely summarized for us:
1. Guy was asked to provide ID. He didn't. --- 2. Guy was asked to leave. He didn't. --- 3. Guy was warned before being tasered. Guy continued to act like an idiot and got [zapped]. ?People, if the police ask you to do something don't argue with them and do it. Police enforce the law and are not the[re] to discuss and interpret [UCLA Security] policy with you.
Camera cell phones and YouTube are a GodSend
and the police worst nightmare
What was used to videotape this incident? A hand held cam or a camera phone?
It looked like a hand held camera to me. The lighting wasn't great but that was just the room they were in. I am pretty sure if it was a cellphone camera it would have been a much lower quality.