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Twin terror attacks hit Turkey

Nov 20, 2003 5:42AM PST

The British Foreign Office in London has issued the following number for people to call for information about those who may have been involved in the blasts: +44 (0)20 7008 0000.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/3222608.stm

Seems to me, Al Qaeda just proved the "Islamic jihad" claim is a load of codswallop, since Turkey is predominantly Muslim, and it is mostly Turks who got hurt. I also hate to shake their tree, but (soto voce) technically HSBC isn't British - it's actually owned by the Chinese. Oops, they goofed.

Hmm, no doubt if it was US overseas sites being attacked, this news item would have top place in this forum. But hell, it's only the British, so who cares anyway?

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Of course we care, Dale. It's an awful tragdy.
Nov 20, 2003 6:50AM PST

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I don't think it matters that Turkey is predominantly Muslim, US allies are being targeted and if a few Turks or Muslims get killed in the process so be it. After all it's for the cause isn't it? Bunch of b******, this is not the way a war is suppose to be fought! It's so heartbreaking.

I think the news item I just read said the attack was carried out by al-Qaeda and the Turkish Islamic militants. This on top of Saturday's truck bombings must be terrifing for the people.
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Re:Of course we care, Dale. It's an awful tragdy.
Nov 20, 2003 6:56AM PST

Hi Rosalie,

I'm NOT defending ANY terrorists in ANY way.

"this is not the way a war is suppose to be fought!"

That age old saying that all is fair in love an war had to have been started for some reason.

If I lived for another 70 years, I don't think we will EVER be finished with the "war on terrorism".

Tim

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If we are getting onto age old sayings....
Nov 20, 2003 9:07AM PST

What about "one man's terrorist is another man's liberator". That too, had to have been started for a reason.

Cue Charlie, stage right, with his list of oppressive regimes which have been actively supported over the years, by a certain super power through its various security services. Talk about double standards!

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Re:If we are getting onto age old sayings....
Nov 20, 2003 10:25AM PST

Since you bring it up with the quote -

"one man's terrorist is another man's liberator".

I could at least understand a "terroist" or a liberator guerilla fighting in his occuppied homeland (think Iraq of course).

But a terroist or organization that is willing to destroy around the world anything and anyone just to "make a statment" about opposing the US and/or Israel, or any other organization/group, is just a terroist organization and individual.

Granted, that opens the can of worms about our and others covert ops programs, past/present/future.

At least, IMO.

roger

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(NT) [NT] Yep, those slimy worms are slithering all over the place, aren't they?
Nov 20, 2003 10:30AM PST
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Reminds me of something, Rosalie...
Nov 20, 2003 11:39AM PST

Rosalie, the early press coverage reminds me of something, the bombing in Bali a while back. We heard that there was a bomb and people were hurt. Then the mad scramble for details by the press. That took a while.
I couldn't help but notice that for quite some time the U.S. TV was using the live local news footage of Turkish TV. Where were most of the U.S. news crews? England. Can you imagine the mad scramble by some crews to get to the airport and catch a flight to Turkey?
It appears that the time it took to get any details about something that first hit the U.S. news in the early A.M. hours there and post something may have upset a stiff upper lip, but it took a bit of time here to get anything but the fact that there was a bomb in Turkey and people were hurt. Another factor in the time situation was that all the TV networks constantly reminded people that Blair and Bush would have a live joint speech that would be carried live when they were ready. I dare say that some people waited to see what they said.

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you want cheese with that?
Nov 20, 2003 7:02AM PST

Hmm, no doubt if it was US overseas sites being attacked, this news item would have top place in this forum. But hell, it's only the British, so who cares anyway?

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(NT) Message has been deleted.
Nov 20, 2003 8:49AM PST
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Well let's put it like this, moderator
Nov 20, 2003 10:26AM PST

You may feel all big and powerful deleting a few words on this board. But you can never delete the sentiments behind them, and those will never change.

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Re: the sentiments behind them, and those will never change.
Nov 20, 2003 12:15PM PST

in a nutshell!

you will never be able to post about America or Americans, without some snide remark that shows your contempt for them...

sad.....

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(NT) - And what about you and Israel?
Nov 20, 2003 2:02PM PST

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say what!! when did i show contempt for the US?
Nov 20, 2003 2:54PM PST

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Of course not!
Nov 20, 2003 3:32PM PST

We, the tax payers, are feeding you with our money!

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if you can't make sense.....be quiet
Nov 20, 2003 3:47PM PST

your post has nothing whatsoever to do with what was said before

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i had second thoughts about what you just said
Nov 20, 2003 3:59PM PST

and have reached the conclusion that it is probably you who is being fed by american tax payers money....

nobody is feeding me....

i used the fingers of both hands to count the days i haven't worked since i was 16, then i mis-counted....

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Jonah, I don't think Charlie meant we provide food for your table.
Nov 21, 2003 12:01AM PST

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I think he meant our country gives Israel financial aid.
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Re:i disagree with you, but, if you have appointed yourself as the resident SE expert on all things charlie
Nov 21, 2003 12:44AM PST

maybe i could accept your explanation A: what has israel got to do with turkey? and B: what the hell his comment had to do with my comment to dale????

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Aw heck, Jonah, I didn't mean to ruffle your feathers. Or question your
Nov 21, 2003 1:19AM PST

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sensibilities. I don't claim to be an expert on anything, you know that. I was giving my opinion based on what I was reading, actually without even thinking the way a person does in a conversatiton sometimes.

Charlie, of course, is more than welcome to jump in and correct me anytime.

Since you appear to have time to kill, because I know this could go on for a couple of days at least ....

What did Charlie's response have to do with your answer to Dale? It looks like he thinks the reason you don't show contempt for the US is because the US gives financial aide to Israel.?

In order to kinda tie all this back to the original post, which seems to be important to some people, let me share this tiny bit from an item I was just reading, giving a possible reason for the attacks on Turkey in spite of the fact they are Muslim and part of the attack group was Turks. (Hey Ed, how is THAT for a run-on sentance?)

"It is an ally of the United States and Israel, it is a member of Nato and a would-be member of the European Union. And, crucially, it has been committed to secularism ever since it was founded as a modern republic in the 1920s."
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if you can't make sense.....be quiet
Nov 20, 2003 5:05PM PST

your post has nothing whatsoever to do with what was said before

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Wrong
Nov 20, 2003 7:20PM PST

You clearly never got to read what I wrote. The message was a response to your long-standing and still-contiuning hate attacks against me, and your anti-British attitude. America wasn't even discussed in that message.

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get over yourself
Nov 20, 2003 9:18PM PST

it's simple.... you no wine, me no cheese...

i'm not anti-british, and i'm not pro-american..
i am anti anybody who can't post without a little acid bath to go along with it.....(so,if the hat fits)......
i am pro anybody who thinks along the same lines as me...

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(NT) [NT] Prove it, stop your own acid bath attacks on me - if you can
Nov 21, 2003 3:15AM PST
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Re:Well let's put it like this, moderator
Nov 20, 2003 1:13PM PST

Cheers Dale, for telling it like it is! But let's face it, WE can't beat the B.S.(unless we do a lot of A kissing) and knowing you would never do that, and I wouldn't dream of it, leaves us with the conclusion that it's only a chosen few! Should I say "pucker up"?..(no names mentioned out of respect for the innocent, if there are any)! You know who you are!

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DALE, we are very sorry to hear of these attacks
Nov 20, 2003 7:46AM PST

We grieve for allthe terrorist victims anywhere in the world. We felt the anguish in Saudia Arabia last
week as well as the victims in Turkey, this week. Please do not assume that you are the only one who cares. This is not true. How do you expect to ever have peace, when you don't feel you can trust anyone else?

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Re:DALE, we are very sorry to hear of these attacks
Nov 20, 2003 9:01AM PST

I look at the message board, and it tells a different story to the one you protest. As I say, had these been US losses, you would all have been all over it like a rash with 300 posts on the topic 10 hours ago. But nope, these are (to you all) just a bunch of foreigners, so they get ignored.

Mary Kay, don't even attempt a reply, it will avail you nothing. The mindless support of the yanks here for a war which was against the world community's wishes and so destroying the very lives and infrastructure of another country; the detainment without evidence or trial or even charges laid, of foreign civilians in a US military camp (yes - civilians according to your own president, since he denies they are military poersonnel), and most recently the barbaric destruction of homes of innocent Iraqi citizens by US tanks. Hmm that last one is straight out of the German war manual from WW2.

So with all that damning evidence against the United States, don't ever preach about "caring" when it comes to foreigners, because thanks to Bush, the truth is out for the whole world to see. He said Britain was America's best friend in the world, well I beg to differ. What he should have said, is that a minority of British politicians are his only friends in the whole world. his gung-ho one-finger-salute attitude to the world lost him the others he previously had.

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Re:DALE, we are very sorry to hear of these attacks
Nov 20, 2003 11:44AM PST

Hi, Dale.

We've been told that a poll by one of the leading British papers earlier this week showed that 62% of Brits were glad Bush was coming. Unless that's inaccurate, it paints a different picture than you do. And as you know I'm not a fan of Bush!
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Nor am I Dave...Check it out..!
Nov 20, 2003 1:32PM PST
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The figures are meaningless.
Nov 20, 2003 7:16PM PST

I assume they did the usual? Polled a few thousand, which out of a population of 30+ million adults, makes any "results" totally fallible.

The truth is, many of the families of those killed in Iraq, did not wish to meet Bush because they blame him for what happened. The news here showed an interview with the father of one of our RMPs who was killed at the police station, he said he had asked to meet Bush but been refused - when he told us what he would have said to Bush (not pro-Bush), it became obvious why they denied him.

Also check out the news - where are the pro-Bush supporters? We saw only one, against the thousands of anti-Bush and anti-war protestors. Almost everyone interviewed despises him, and disapproves of what he's done in Iraq, and his disobedience of the world community's wishes. That's why he hides inside his bomb proof Deville, because he knows full well, that outside of the brown tongues within the govt, he hasn't a friend anywhere in the UK.

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Re:Re:DALE, , Don't even attempt
Nov 20, 2003 10:57PM PST

to order me not to respond, as I see things. Why can we not have a normal discussion without having to resort to implying the other person is wrong and there is no need of their participation?

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No idea, Mary Kay
Nov 21, 2003 3:20AM PST

Perhaps the others can help us out with that one? After all, the "you are invalid" game is one certain favoured regulars have been playing around here for months if not years. I am sure one of them can provide the answer?