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Tsunami aid 6 months later

by JP Bill / June 27, 2005 2:42 PM PDT
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(NT) (NT) Muslim nations seem to be missing from the lists
by C1ay / June 28, 2005 12:36 AM PDT
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Looking a gift horse in the mouth. I missed it, where did
by Kiddpeat / June 28, 2005 1:07 AM PDT

Canada rank?

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Response
by JP Bill / June 28, 2005 4:15 AM PDT

I don't understand your gift horse reference.

This information is in the link I posted.

Canada $17.28 (per capita)

Canadian Government (which is actually Canadian taxpayer money) $10.66
Canadian public $6.62

Since you asked, I guess you want to know where Canada ranked, in relation to the USA.


Canada was 5 th (at $17.28 per capita) and USA was 7 th (at $7.97 per capita)

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I notice ...
by Evie / June 28, 2005 4:24 AM PDT
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... that the US has allocated 746/857 million or a respectible 87% of aid pledged. Meanwhile Canada has only allocated 125/341 -- a disappointing 37%.

Also of note, the private American citizen ponied up well in EXCESS of what government pledged on their behalf. The Canadian public doesn't seem to share quite this degree of generosity.

Tsunami aid isn't the only aid around the world.

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Response
by JP Bill / June 28, 2005 4:37 AM PDT
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Allocated means the money has been spent. It doesn't mean the money hasn't been donated. If you read the entire article all donations are not cash. The rebuilding is going to take years and some money is going to be spent on projects that are upcoming.

Your example couldn't happen here, because the government said it would Match any money donated from Canadians, and put more on top of all donations. So the more people gave, the government would give more. a neverending circle with the government giving.

That's how the goverment gave more.

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What the article says is....
by C1ay / June 28, 2005 4:45 AM PDT
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Allocated means the money has been spent. It doesn't mean the money hasn't been donated. If you read the entire article all donations are not cash. The rebuilding is going to take years and some money is going to be spent on projects that are upcoming.

What the article says is, ''A lot of that cash has yet to make it to the ground. Research by humanitarian website Reuters AlertNet shows some 35 percent of $5.3 billion promised by the world's 10 biggest governmental donors and multilateral organisations has not yet been earmarked for spending.''

Now, if your house was washed away by a Tsunami would you rather have some cash now or wait years for someone to rebuild your house?
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Response
by JP Bill / June 28, 2005 5:01 AM PDT

Now, if your house was washed away by a Tsunami would you rather have some cash now or wait years for someone to rebuild your house?

Here's where your money is going. Just starting to spend it now.

U.S. set to begin spending $525 mln in tsunami aid

WASHINGTON, June 23 (Reuters) - U.S. government funds for Asian tsunami reconstruction will begin flowing this week, with $525 million earmarked to rebuild infrastructure and restore shattered livelihoods, officials said on Thursday.

Six months after the Dec. 26 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami that killed more than 230,000 people, the work of rebuilding was just beginning, said State Department and U.S. Agency for International Development, or USAID, officials.

USAID Administrator Andrew Natsios said funds from President George W. Bush's $901 million supplementary budget for the tsunami were released this week.

After reimbursing the Pentagon for its disaster response work, $656 million was left for civilian projects, of which $131 million would go to repaying general disaster funds spent earlier this year, Natsios said.


Notice the date of the article. Also notice that of $901 million 656 is left for civilian projects that means that $245 million went back to the military

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That $245 million for the "military" ...
by Evie / June 28, 2005 5:07 AM PDT
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... was our immediate response to GET aid TO the people. Or don't you remember that initially nobody could even tally the deaths because they couldn't reach remote islands. Next time our military should stick to military missions I suppose Sad

So $901 Million, that's $64 million more than we were credited for in the initial article. Half of what Canada has allocated in total.

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Half of what Canada has allocated in total.
by JP Bill / June 28, 2005 1:22 PM PDT

As a result of the US having approximately 10 times the population of Canada, it is not unrealistic to think tha t the US would donate 2 or 3 times as much.

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why we have allways done our bit
by Mark5019 / June 28, 2005 1:36 PM PDT

lets let the other countries try
since canadas not fighting a war let them make up the diference, along with the muslums

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since canadas not fighting a war
by JP Bill / June 28, 2005 1:52 PM PDT

You do know that Canada is fighting alongside US troops in Afganistan, don't you?

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well then as were fighting 2 sites
by Mark5019 / June 28, 2005 11:02 PM PDT

canada can pick up her slack.

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See, that's the kind of crap that gets people mad. Are you
by Kiddpeat / June 28, 2005 6:08 AM PDT
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suggesting that the $245 million going to the military is being spent for military activity? Stuff like guns and bullets? In fact, the US military was one of the first organizations on the scene providing rescue, rebuilding resources, transport of relief supplies including food and medicine, etc. The money paid for the people, gas, equipment, food, etc. that the military delivered. It was worth FAR MORE than the money which trickled in months or years later.

The Indonesian Gov't told the US military to get out. That's their right, but it didn't go over too well here and the people getting the aid probably weren't too thrilled either.

You're back to US spending after failing to explain why it appears that the Canadians delivered a big IOU. Collect it if you can. It's nice to have your cake and eat it to isn't it.

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Response
by JP Bill / June 28, 2005 12:22 PM PDT
Are you suggesting that the $245 million going to the military is being spent for military activity? Stuff like guns and bullets?

no.

Please explain this statement

why it appears that the Canadians delivered a big IOU.

What part of the article leads you to believe that Canada didn't pay any money.
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No JP ...
by Evie / June 28, 2005 4:55 AM PDT
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... pledged = promised. Allocated = allocated, as in actually approved by the legislature or whatever means the government of a particular country actually authorizes the payment.

Your government altruism indirectly suppressed individual contributions. By offering to match it, a Canadian wanting to donate $100 would donate $50 instead but also consider that their taxes will go towards the $50 match as well.

Yes the rebuilding will take years. The figures to date don't count future pledges or allocations either.

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Funny, I remember an article from a while back
by dirtyrich / June 28, 2005 9:02 AM PDT
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describing how a lot of money that nations "pledged" to Third World nations after disasters (natural or caused by man) has not been "allocated" yet, and this goes back to Somalia, Serbia, and such. Empty promises.
Canada's going to have to sell a lot of Molsen to get the funds to "allocate."
Note private donations make up the majority of US donations, along with Britain... we don't need to be forced to help others. If we see people who need help, we're willing to take it on ourselves, even if others can't be bothered.

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Not to mention in addition to ...
by Evie / June 28, 2005 12:22 PM PDT

... helping ourselves. How many home destroying hurricanes and forest fires did we suffer through in 2004 while sending billions abroad?

Evie Happy

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Ah but....
by C1ay / June 28, 2005 4:34 AM PDT
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The U.S. has actually met 87% of what it pledged compared to Canada's 36% and Canada only pledged 23% of what the U.S. pledged to begin with. So, maybe the U.S. only pledged $7.97 per capita but at least they've actually met $6.93 of that pledge so far. Canada's only met $6.33 of the $17.28 that it pledged. Now that $17.28 doesn't look so great after all. Pledges don't actually feed anyone, it takes real payments to do that.

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