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Trump tariffs winning, China ready to capitulate

Aug 26, 2019 1:05AM PDT
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/china-announces-it-seeks-end-to-trade-war-as-markets-tank-and-currency-hits-11-year-flatline

"Chinese Vice Premier Liu He told a state-controlled newspaper on Monday that "China is willing to resolve its trade dispute with the United States through calm negotiations and resolutely opposes the escalation of the conflict," Reuters first reported, citing a transcript of his remarks provided by the Chinese government. Liu is China's top trade negotiator."

Nothing happens in a day, so all those naysayers, who always jump out early against anything Trump does, are proven wrong yet again.

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Re: winning
Aug 26, 2019 1:13AM PDT

I think North Korea could say something comparable about rockets and nuclear bombs, with the same lack of concrete results.

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Hey, watch it, wiseguy!
Aug 27, 2019 8:20AM PDT

For the ESL folks, that's a 3 Stooges wiseguy, not the Mafia kind.

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RE:China ready to capitulate
Aug 26, 2019 3:00AM PDT
capitulate

Couldn't find that word in your FOX NEWS link OR in the original source of the story.

According to Reuters....

BEIJING (Reuters) - Chinese Vice Premier Liu He said on Monday that China is willing to resolve its trade dispute with the United States through calm negotiations and resolutely opposes the escalation of the conflict, a state-backed newspaper reported.

When someone 'capitulates"...... I don't think there are any "negotiations".

IF there are negotiations...It requires participation by more than one party/side.

So DJT also wants an end to the trade war/tariffs.

IS HE "capitulating"?

PS...Something else China said about negotiations

Liu said on Monday: “We welcome enterprises from all over the world, including the United States, to invest and operate in China.

“We will continue to create a good investment environment, protect intellectual property rights, promote the development of smart intelligent industries with our market open, resolutely oppose technological blockades and protectionism, and strive to protect the completeness of the supply chain.”

The official China Daily said Washington would “never be allowed to control China’s fate”.

“It has become unquestionably clear that his administration’s tariff war against China is politically motivated. What Washington wants from its largest trade partner is for it to be content to play second fiddle and meekly do as it demands,” the English-language paper wrote in an editorial.

The Global Times, a widely-read tabloid published by the ruling Communist Party’s official People’s Daily, said: “U.S. companies are welcome to invest and operate in the Chinese market, but if some U.S. companies want to obey Trump’s order and join Washington’s trade war, the result is bleak. A decision to give up the Chinese market is just suicide.”

Post was last edited on August 26, 2019 3:41 AM PDT

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Even surrender often has terms. Didn't say "unconditional".
Aug 26, 2019 1:30PM PDT

capitulate
[kəˈpiCHəˌlāt]
VERB

cease to resist an opponent or an unwelcome demand; surrender.

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RE: Didn't say "unconditional"
Aug 26, 2019 1:54PM PDT

What are ya' doin'?...adding another word to the story/your claim?

AND FOX NEWS, Reuters, China and DJT didn't say "capitulate".

PS :Trump on U.S.-China trade talks: 'Calm' is a very good word to use

"CALM"?.....A word China used first when talking about trade negotiations?

Update...someone did say would not  "capitulate"....it was CHINA!

China has rejected accusations made by the United States of backtracking in trade talks and warned it would not "capitulate to any pressure" as the two sides head into make-or-break negotiations.

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Hah! My dictionary....
Aug 26, 2019 3:52PM PDT

...may have more words than theirs does. I may also prefer to use a more appropriate term, considering the deficient state of journalism today.

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2 words, not in your dictionary, that go with "capitulate"
Aug 26, 2019 7:12PM PDT

"would not" capitulate.

RE: I may also prefer to use a more appropriate term,

So you took some journalist liberties?

Are you having any second thoughts?.....

TheRUMP is having lots of second thoughts. According to him.

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this is why you lose arguments.
Aug 26, 2019 10:11PM PDT

You actually side track yourself by obsessing on single words, as if some relevant position, not always clear to others, can be established, but such always fails. If an argument is based solely on parsing words, it begins to fail at the outset.

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RE: this is why you lose arguments
Aug 27, 2019 4:05AM PDT

Yet another liberty YOU have taken?

Declaring a winner? . There was a contest?...A drawing of a ticket?....A race?....A MMA match?

Your words...... jump out early against anything Trump does,

Others jump IN early and declare a winner.


RE: If an argument is based solely on parsing words,

Sorry, but words are ALL I have to go on(or maybe it's a blessing) I can't see your facial contortions when you are making your posts. Perhaps an emoticon would suffice.

May I suggest Devil

PS: If an argument is based solely on parsing words,

THAT is how legal cases are won OR lost, parsing words......words that are written in the laws.

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you are correct in this statement
Aug 27, 2019 10:48PM PDT
"THAT is how legal cases are won OR lost, parsing words......words that are written in the laws."

And that is the failing of Law. Even the Bible says same.

Isaiah 29:21 KJV: That make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in His sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin (Romans 3:20).
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May I suggest
Aug 28, 2019 3:40AM PDT
Devil
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Bill hasn't "lost an argument" his entire tenure on SE.
Aug 27, 2019 8:16AM PDT

Just ask him.

Neither have you. Ditto.

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BTW James, I have to go with Bill.
Aug 29, 2019 12:54PM PDT

With English Lit, actually.
"Possible negotiations" is all I get.
"Capitulation" is wishful thinking on the part of Trump and his followers.
I'm sticking to my original (sarcastic) post: "Easy to win."

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James, never mind those responders of little faith.
Aug 26, 2019 7:04AM PDT

Didn't I tell ya? Easy to win.

Oh, wait. Still talking, not winning as such.

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(NT) I'll believe it when I see it
Aug 26, 2019 2:39PM PDT
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RE:against anything Trump does, are proven wrong yet again
Aug 27, 2019 7:38AM PDT

Proof?

Trump....."Hereby orders"..... Trump's demand that US companies boycott China,

How do "Hereby Orders" compare to "Executive Orders"?

apparently Costco is not listening  

Instead of leaving China, US retail giant Costco opened its first Chinese store in Shanghai on Tuesday. Consumers waited in long queue to get inside the store. Such a grand opening can't be seen in other places. Chinese market is crucial to American companies.

THEY have "chosen" not to listen to "The Chosen One" = PROOF

The Trumpettes should be cutting up Costco cards all across America.  This will show how strong their beliefs are.

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Oh, yeah???
Aug 27, 2019 8:22AM PDT

Show us Costco in your dictionary, wiseguy.
For the ESL folks ...

'I said lay off the Canadian digs!'

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Don't get confused
Aug 27, 2019 10:51PM PDT

Trump is against unfair practices regarding Chinese imports to USA, he's in favor of equal trade, and Costco would be a win in his book.

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Fact is, import/export is more complex than
Aug 28, 2019 2:13AM PDT

just tariffs. Look how weather has butted into Trump's carefully laid plans this year.

IMO the intellectual property problem is more serious a threat, if the US is really that far ahead of the world in tech. But that doesn't get mentioned much any more. I suspect that's because it's much harder to crack, requiring negotiations.

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RE:Costco would be a win in his book
Aug 28, 2019 3:22AM PDT

"in his book"?....Of course it would. (lipstick on a pig?)

The TRUTH and TheRUMP are not synonymous.

IF he said it was a loss...HE would be admitting HE lost to China, AND American business disregarding HIS "Hereby Order".

Wait and see what/if anything HE says about Costco opening in China.

Costco(and others) have already made their feelings known on tariffs

600 companies including Walmart, Costco and Target warn Trump on tariffs

American retailers, manufacturers and tech companies warned President Donald Trump on Thursday that tariffs on China will damage the US economy, lead to job losses and harm millions of consumers.

More than 600 companies and industry trade associations — including Walmart, Costco, Target, Gap, Levi Strauss and Foot Locker — wrote to the White House urging Trump to remove levies on China and end the ongoing trade war.

"We know firsthand that the additional tariffs will have a significant, negative, and long-term impact on American businesses, farmers, families, and the US economy," the companies said in the letter. "An escalated trade war is not in the country's best interest, and both sides will lose

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Oh, I get it.
Aug 28, 2019 5:18PM PDT

YOU want the US to capitulate to the Chinese tariffs that have already been in existence for decades! Nice to know where your loyalties and concept of "fair trade" lies.

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RE:Nice to know where your loyalties and
Aug 28, 2019 7:05PM PDT
Nice to know where your loyalties and concept of "fair trade" lies.

Me AND 600 Companies. AMERICAN companies.....

Have you, by chance. any investments in THOSE companies?

Are YOU boycotting any of them?

Are you a Costco shopper?.....I am. And Costco is an American company.....WHY should I be loyal to Costco?....Because they have something I want, at a price I'm willing to pay. Fair trade. Money for goods.

I've said it before....US population 350M......rest of the world 6 BILLION...do the math.

Are you a loyal and a "fair trader"?

Or are you a cut your nose off to spite your face kinda' guy?

DAMN THE TORPEDOES, FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!!!!
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USA citizen
Aug 28, 2019 7:17PM PDT
"I've said it before....US population 350M......rest of the world 6 BILLION...do the math.Are you a loyal and a "fair trader"?
Or are you a cut your nose off to spite your face kinda' guy? "


I'm a nationalist, a patriotic American, something YOU are not, since YOU are Canadian. Twist any of those terms as you wish, the Liberal media does too.
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RE: I'm a nationalist, a patriotic American
Aug 28, 2019 7:53PM PDT

With a Costco membership?

Along with approx 90 MILLION other Americans?

Just seen an ad on Costco Travel....Plugging a Stay at Trump International Hotel Waikiki

IF Costco disobeyed MY "Hereby Order". I'd remove THAT ad from the Costco site.

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No Costo, No Sam's Club, No BJ's
Aug 29, 2019 12:01AM PDT

I don't need to buy a lot in bulk.

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RE:I don't need to buy a lot in bulk
Aug 29, 2019 3:12AM PDT

When you have visitors you can take them on a tour of Costco.....let them buy stuff on YOUR card....They spend their money....you get a percentage of the money they spend yearly.

Maximum of 2 other people per visit.

It could be a nice little business opportunity....YOU buy a membership and have a few big spenders a day...end of the year you reap the profits....While THEY are shopping YOU can have a 99¢ Costco hot dog. Saves you from buying wieners by the dozen(in bulk)

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Neither do I. Just seems to work out that way
Aug 29, 2019 10:10AM PDT

when I get there.
Grin

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Nothing wrong with buying in bulk
Aug 30, 2019 8:38PM PDT

It doesn't mean you have to use it in bulk(all at once)....Saves trips to the store?

Especially in case of a hurricane....

Costco Pumpkin Pies are one of my favourites in the Fall...1 pie lasts 2 weeks....

Check out the size of the Costco muffins....

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Retailers
Aug 29, 2019 3:38AM PDT

such as Cosco, Walmart, Target, et al don't have any intellectual property that China can steal or insist be given up in order to be doing business in that country. None of them manufacture anything, which is why I don't think American people and Trump have a problem with them having stores over there.

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Good point.
Aug 29, 2019 10:02AM PDT

It's good that you and I remember the intellectual property issue. Trump doesn't, even if that was the only bipartisan, unarguable part of the original tantrum.

Also the only one that can affect his country's security. The rest is simply the March of Empires, beyond anyone's control.

Remember when Huawei's equipment and firmware was a security threat to the "free world"? Still is, but Huawei's status is reduced to bargaining chip. I guess we're safe now, right?

Post was last edited on August 29, 2019 10:11 AM PDT