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Trump....promises made, promises broken

Jan 23, 2020 7:37PM PST
Report: Coal-Power Plant Closures Near Record High Under Trump

During the 2016 campaign, then-candidate Trump repeatedly promised voters in Appalachia he would “bring back coal” if they supported him at the ballot box, which they overwhelmingly did. Roughly 70 percent of voters in West Virginia cast their ballots for Trump.

In May 2016 Trump told a throng of West Virginia coal miners, “Get ready because you’re going to be working your asses off.”


Working their asses off...defending HIM?

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U.S. coal-fired power plants closing fast despite Trump's pledge of support for industry

If that trend continues, more coal plants will have shut during the first four years (2017-2020) of the Trump administration - an estimated 46,600 MW - than during Obama’s second term (2013-2016) - around 43,100 MW.

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Many of those closings
Jan 24, 2020 5:59AM PST

were because of the costly EPA requirements that BO put into place that those coal companies couldn't reverse after millions were invested already making the changes.

Try as you might, you can't blame everything on Trump, JP.

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RE:you can't blame everything on Trump, JP.
Jan 24, 2020 6:18AM PST

HE's running the show...so YES I can

I can't blame everything on him?...I can, when HE makes the promises.

HE didn't realize what HE was getting into?....and who's fault is that?

You want to complain about Obama?...make him President again.

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Yeah, I figured you'd have no answer
Jan 24, 2020 11:38AM PST

You always prove it with your blather.....

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IF I can't blame him NOW
Jan 24, 2020 12:14PM PST

while HE is POTUS, Can I do it AFTER he leaves office?

Maybe I should have done it BEFORE he became POTUS?

Those are the ONLY possibilities..In the past, the present OR the future.

I chose the present.

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You are twice mistaken
Jan 24, 2020 3:47PM PST

1) Making a promise and it being obstructed is not a promise broken.

2) There are other coal powered electric producers and a lot of our coal is being sold and shipped to them instead. I remember even reading that China owns a mine now in America.

3) Do not confuse mining coal in one country being the same as the coal use in that single country. You have to look at the wider picture.

https://grist.org/article/2010-11-18-india-china-buying-u-s-coal-mines-shale-gas-fields/

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RE:Making a promise
Jan 24, 2020 5:16PM PST

Making a promise and it being obstructed is not a promise broken.

IF someone/HE is going to use the "events beyond HIS control" defense....HE should have qualified HIS "promise" when HE made it.

“Get ready because you’re going to be working your asses off.”

HE said that and I invested/purchased in 3 shovels, and he only created 1100 jobs in America?

PS.The export boom is the one part of Trump’s pledge to help the coal sector that is coming true. Production ticked up a bit last year after a disastrous 2016 but is still at the lowest level since 1978. And despite plenty of promises to bring back jobs to coal country, coal mining employment only grew by some 1,100 jobs last year; mining employment is down about 40 percent since 2012. Meanwhile, closures of coal-fired power plants continue apace, with more than two dozen plants shutting down early last year alone, which means less domestic demand for coal.

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You just proved my point....
Jan 25, 2020 4:44AM PST

the years of 2012 to 2016 were ALL BO years when his EPA regulations almost completely devastated that industry and he did it DELIBERATELY to THOUSANDS of American workers. Because of those massive expenses that coal companies were going to have to face revamping their industry, many, if not most, of the smaller companies shuttered their doors. The few who could afford those changes, did so at great expense....with some still in the works of making those changes when Trump came along and removed those regulations. Some couldn't afford the NEW expenses to stop those changes at the last minute....and still had to close down. You can't blame Trump for that.

However, there were some who actually hadn't made the changes and started back up again, putting JUST 1100 workers BACK TO WORK. And yet, you and other liberals don't think that even 1100 American workers is good enough. How many WOULD be good enough to turn around an entire industry that YOUR side didn't give a crap about when it was BO killing them off?

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RE:How many WOULD be good enough to turn around
Jan 25, 2020 6:33AM PST

Way more than 1100 to make the claim that HE done good.

Get ready because you’re going to be working your asses off.”

Do you think that 1100 is anywhere close to the 40% that are still unemployed?

IF 1100 = 40% of the workforce so 100% would equal 2750 miners.

I've heard stories of thousands being coal miners in the past..2700 is nothing to boast about.

RE: it was BO killing them off

Those were the days...I remember them well, as a young fella' I used to go down to the "coal yard" in my neighbourhood. and throw pieces coal into the water.

When the tide was out I would go down and get the coal, take it home and we would burn in in the coal stove.

Please don't notify the authorities.

COAL? a DIRTY source of heat/power.

Are you still burning coal?

WHY? Exactly what do you like about coal?

PS...I helped build this place, back in the day....

Countdown to obsolescence: A look inside the Belledune coal-fired plant

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So you would be okay with
Jan 25, 2020 4:01PM PST

all 2750 miners STILL being out of work thanks to BO than have 1100 of them BACK to work and paying into the economy?

What happened to the long-held liberal belief that even ONE job lost (especially if it's a UNION job) is too many?

In 2000 here, liberals decided that a zoning ordinance was needed after 200 years without one, and a minimum of 20 companies left the area, devastating the tax base. Since then real estate taxes have gone up considerably on personal properties held in families for generations to cover what they lost to the tune of 400% (what used to be $250 PER YEAR for a house here is now $1000) with many properties owned by the elderly being sold off because they couldn't afford it on small social security incomes....others have their land rented out for cattle grazing to pay for it or having Christmas tree growers rent it out....some others have been sold by children after their parents passed on because there are no jobs here anymore that are sustainable....and quite a few have been claimed by the county for back taxes when nobody is around to pay them anymore. Those in particular become total profit for the county because they then sell them off to part time residents from out of state as hunting quarters or summer vacation spots.

Not many ideas coming from liberals turn out well....but they are all so short sighted looking for a quick fix every time for every agenda they come up with that they never stop to look at the consequences coming down the pike at them....but it doesn't stop their insanity.

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So, YOU don't use coal in YOUR home.
Jan 25, 2020 6:40PM PST

Probably because it's dirty, smelly. Since the mines are closed....have
you ever contemplated doing your own mining.....FREE FUEL OR Christmas stocking stuffer for naughty children?

Yet another reason the coal industry is in decline...it is no longer socially acceptable to give coal as a Christmas gift.

RE:What happened to the long-held liberal belief that even ONE job lost (especially if it's a UNION job) is too many?

The World Health Organization estimates that 4.6 million people die each year from causes directly attributable to air pollution. Many of these mortalities are attributable to indoor air pollution. Worldwide more deaths per year are linked to air pollution than to automobile accidents.

I would rather have a UNION job converting a coal fired plant to something more efficient/clean than ANY job being a factor in the death of 4.6 million people. 

RE:stop to look at the consequences

The consequences of me expressing concerns of the environment?

The "consequence" would be YOU referring to ME as a SNOWFLAKE.

Nothing quite like a nice set of black lungs from working in a coal mine.....Why do you think smoke stacks are over 600 feet high?

So the pollution doesn't stay in the area it is produced...it all goes somewhere else...it's not YOUR problem?

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do you post this same
Jan 26, 2020 4:41AM PST

information to forums in China and India by any chance? Those two countries ALONE produce 80% of the entire world's air AND water pollution. And yet, here you are....in CANADA bitching at the USA and we are the CLEANEST country according to recent stats on this subject.

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RE:we are the CLEANEST country according to recent stats on
Jan 26, 2020 4:54AM PST

we are the CLEANEST country according to recent stats on this subject.

Got a "link"?

Jun 19, 2019 - America's air is much cleaner than it used to be, but it's still not “the cleanest.” And recent data suggests that air pollution is ticking back up.

Oct 23, 2019 - Air pollution worsened in the United States in 2017 and 2018, new data shows, a reversal after years of sustained improvement with significant ...

Apr 24, 2019 - More than 141 millions Americans lived in counties with unhealthy air pollution levels in 2015 to 2017 — an increase over the last two years.

Dec 9, 2019 - As of 2019, more than 141 million Americans live in places with unhealthy levels of air pollution, according to the American Lung Association's .

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