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Transit strike strands Toronto commuters

May 29, 2006 1:51AM PDT

TORONTO, Ontario (AP) -- Hundreds of thousands of commuters were forced to find alternate ways to work Monday, as subway stations across Toronto were shut down and buses and streetcars halted in a long-simmering labor dispute.

About 800,000 people use Toronto's network of buses, street cars and subway cars every day. Only seven buses were operating Monday during the busy morning rush hour, where normally 1,300 would be in service. Subway and streetcar service was also severely crippled.

Ontario's Labor Relations Board declared the sudden strike by Toronto Transit Commission workers illegal and issued a cease-and-desist order demanding they return to work immediately.

"Picket lines are preventing employees from entering the garages," the commission said in a news release.

shame but somebody heres lieingSad

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/05/29/toronto.transit.ap/index.html

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"shame but somebody heres lieing"
May 29, 2006 10:16PM PDT

To whom and what shame are you referring?

My wife walked to work, and took the Streetcar home. The whole thing was over in 6 hours. Even better, everybody was unusually friendly in this friendly city, making jokes, cheerful as hell. I cannot speak for drivers who I'm sure were inconvenienced by the volume of traffic, but I still think the same cheerful, let's enjoy the moment, attitude that characterized the Blackout 4 years ago, thanks to the Ohio Power Grid meltdown, held true.

During the Black Out, and despite the heat people headed for open ground schoolyards and parks to look at the Milky Way, and enjoy the stars. It was quite a magical night, and there was a downturn in crime. Figure that one out.

There has been an increase in assaults on above ground TTC Toronto Transit Commission drivers and they don't like it. So they took a half day off, well a quarter day off, to highlight it. No problem. That's an understandable response if they're not getting the response from head-office, and they've been heard and everything is back to normal.

Now if you want shame check out the retraction on the story about special clothes for non-Muslim Iranians, entitled The Latest Neo-Con lie about Iran, whose source I'm ashamed to say was Canada's National Post, or Nazi Post as most of the paper boxes now have written on them. http://counterpunch.org/leupp05272006.html

Maybe you could try to get your story straight next time.

Rob

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re
May 29, 2006 11:02PM PDT

either the union or the management was lieing rob
why such hostality on that i just posted
what was in the news rob
not like a person who allways posts bashes about my country which your so found of doing.
why is it ti hot to be in the kitchen?

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But its wrong, and everybody here knows its wrong
May 30, 2006 12:47AM PDT

of course that doesn't prevent you disseminating your agenda of "Canada's falling apart" stories, it'd just be nice if they were half-way accurate. Car-pooling was instantaneous and spontaneous, and people here are laughing and are, to a large degree, on the side of the drivers. It is to be hoped that this will stop the arguing and spitting being indulged in by certain young men, now that they've been outed. Nor did you get to see the address by my City Councillor (who came to our door and introduced himself last week, and no there are no elections in the offing. He just wanted to know if we had any issues we wanted addressed and give us a glossy list of his phone numbers) who looks like he's about 22, but is on the Toronto Transit Commission and spoke off the cuff, no notes for about 25 minutes making enormous good sense and promising that service would be 100% tomorrow (ie today) and that the issues of the drivers would be addressed immediately because that sort of behaviour assaults, refusal to pay fares, spitting, and cursing was not tolerated in Toronto.

You ask why I get so angry. It's because you routinely post things that are wrong and then walk away as if you've posted the Sermon on the Mount. It's rare to see a post from you that isn't aimed like a cruise missile at a Forum member, a racial group, a national group, or a political affiliation you disapprove of, which I grant you offers a target rich environment, because you seem from what I can see to dislike everything except King George.

Oh, yeah, and I don't bash the United States land of my birth, and my first 35 years. I do post things about ideas and institutions that are not accepted in the United States, but that's not anti-US its pro an idea. And I do dislike and post "hostality" sic. towards the President and his Administration because I think he's wrong and incompetent, because I think they're a bunch of incompetents and crooks, and because I think they've done a lousy job "defending and upholding the Constitution", in fact I think they have done neither but have trampled it thoroughly into the mud, and that you'll regret their tenure very soon when the GAO and the Fed and all the Council of Economic Advisors come out with their reports saying "Its a disaster folks and we don't have a clue how to fix it." But as always this is just my opinion, How come you all get so hostile and worked up by the lone voice of opposition here.

Rob

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Touchy Touchy
May 30, 2006 1:05AM PDT

Mark posted an innocuous post about a transit strike and you go off like a powder keg.

Protesting too much about the idyllic Canada you paint? Assaults on transit drivers, SPITTING?, guns/gangs in the streets, immigration protests, etc.

How was Mark's post about this transit strike wrong??? It wasn't. QED.

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rob oh rob
May 30, 2006 2:39AM PDT

you seem to have a memory problem you never ever post any thing good you name = basher
you dont like it to bad we here are tired of constant bashing tiresome drivel.

i posted a legitmit post said some ones lieing you throw a hissy fit
if you throw dirt expect to get dirty

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some ones lieing
May 30, 2006 3:47AM PDT

or

some ones heres lieing

Does "heres" refer to SE or the article?

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since it was posted in that thread jp
May 30, 2006 3:59AM PDT

id emagine people could gather its refering to the post.
forgot you need to be led by the hand my bad ill be more carefull next time jp i 4 get were all not to sharp.

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ill be more carefull
May 30, 2006 4:06AM PDT

Thank you, I appeciate that.

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(NT) (NT) yw= your welcome
May 30, 2006 4:08AM PDT
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You are besmirching paradise. Heaven on earth. The great
May 30, 2006 5:10AM PDT

Canadian way of life. I loved that slapshot as the US (Ohio) right in the middle of a Canadian thread.

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Here I thought ...
May 30, 2006 12:04AM PDT

... there was no crime in Toronto. Now you tell me the transit drivers are being assaulted and went on strike cuz nobody was doing anything about it. And that the crime rate went down with the blackout! Surely the crime rate must be considerable in order to go down Wink??

Was there ANY reason to add the last paragraph other than to inject a neocon slam??

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oops! 'big brother' is watching me?
May 30, 2006 12:24AM PDT

scrolling down the article and i saw this -->
A routine, unremarkable, invasion of one Arab nation by another justified by reasons much more persuasive than the U.S. invasion of Iraq in 2003 (an invasion that had actually met with much sympathy among the Emirate's population, most of whom did not hold Kuwaiti citizenship) had been persuasively depicted as act of utter evil. Saddam was the HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden Pragma: no-cache Cache-Control: no-cache Content-Type: text/html Content-Length: 107 Msg #1053 - CVP Server - file blocked. For further information, please refer to the eSafe Gateway report


jonah "email me at the Gulag" jones


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Which has NEVER happened in the US, right Mark?
May 29, 2006 10:55PM PDT

Seems to me I recall pictures of people walking home in NYC due to a similar strike not that long ago...

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never said didnt
May 29, 2006 11:05PM PDT

i posted a news worthy thing on a "union" and managements problem

rob has a cow and you just do a dk thing

rob can post all his bashing posts about my country and you just yawn i post an article wasnt nasty as his or an essay as his tend to be you come in per your style.
its ok we see why

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and that has what to do with this thread?
May 30, 2006 5:17AM PDT

Did anyone say there are no transit strikes in the US? I was just about to express sympathy when I read Rob's post that all is well in Nirvana.

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Just wish you'd been here to experience the "Oh Well, lets
May 31, 2006 11:21PM PDT

get on with it" attitude, lots of smiles and friendliness and "Can you believe this on the hottest day so far this year", you'd likely have enjoyed it.

There are two troubles of this sort in Toronto, Transit strikes which happen about once a decade and Garbage strikes which happen about the same frequency. Both are less than thrilling, though the garbage strikes are disgusting. But the current Transit strike was very short lived, a kind of just trying to get your attention thing which was over by the afternoon rush hour. I was just pushing for accuracy.

The big loud always in your face American-style Conservative on city council got caught with his hand in the cookie jar, receiving kick-backs from a Computer purchase that cost 10's of millions more than it should. His previous claim to fame was his strong calls for "Fiscal responsibility" which he trumpetted for years here. When push came to shove though, he purchased very high end CAD equipped computers for every office in Toronto at about $5000 a piece instead of the $1500 computers needed, then had to explain the huge new additions to his house pai for by the Computer contractor. Shades of Chicago, KP.

Rob

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Get over yourself already
May 31, 2006 11:25PM PDT

I was in the NYC suburbs (also effected by the blackout) when it occurred. It took me 6 -- yes SIX -- hours to get back home to CT (a trip that is usually a little over two hours) that day. I had on WABC radio from NYC the whole ride. NY'ers took it in stride too.

I WAS in NYC during the considerably longer and more disruptive transit strike (the number of commuters is a LOT more than Toronto). NY'ers took it in stride too.

You pushing for accuracy is a joke.

Meanwhile, there's a thread you started and abandoned that good manners would necessitate replies from you.