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Toshiba Gigabeat 60Gb vs Ipod Video 60GB

Jan 14, 2006 8:07PM PST

Hi,

I'm trying to decide between the two and would like to hear some opinions from other people. There aren't many 60Gb players out there so it's basically between these two. Do you have an opinion....any cons for both the models? What's it like using the Gigabeat, how's the software, interface, etc....

I can find out tons of stuff about the ipod of course but not so much info on the gigabeat.

Also, should I wait for the new gigabeat with Windows PMC which is due in the spring....so many decisions!

Comments appreciated.

Thanks.

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iPod 60 gb Video-Awesome!
Jan 15, 2006 12:43AM PST

I owned a mini from Costco for almost a year (about $269). Thankfully, they allowed me to return it due to the historically poor battery performance (the only thing I didn't love about the iPod mini). I now have the 60 gb iPod Video ($399 from Circuit City-Costco had nothing) and can't find anything I'm not crazy about, except that standard equipment should include a clear plastic case to protect the LCD monitor screen. I have several 1.5 hour long movies and such in mp4, hundreds of jpeg pictures of family and a bunch of high quality music and I've barely touched the 60 gigs. Awesome toy!

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Apple vs. Toshiba
Jan 15, 2006 2:35AM PST

i would go with apple as it has standard and world's best reated mp3 player. The video is looks awesome in real, while the toshiba is big and ok look-wise. and apple has really good warranty/exchange plans for ipod and also, in future -- if u try to sell it, u won't get as much money from toshiba than apple. and apple has video capabilitites with hundreds of accesories to choose from.

if the price of ipod sets u off then i would say consider Creative Zen M:Vision-- as it has everything that ipod has with extra features like FM radio. radio recorder, and voice recorder. if u r willing to give up the scroll wheel feature for ipod, then consider creative.

hope this helps

-Jay

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More interested in audio than video...
Jan 15, 2006 5:37AM PST

Thanks for the feedback guys...

Being honest it's not the video capability of the ipod that i'm interested in as I'm unlikely to use it much...

It would be good to hear from any gigabeat owners as there are less of them than ipod owners and would be good to know what the Toshiba is like to use daily.

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it gets loud
Jan 15, 2006 5:48AM PST

really really really loud.


sound is crisp. i'd recommend it

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I've got a Gigabeat X30
Jan 15, 2006 8:51AM PST

I imported a Gigabeat X30 from Japan, and it's awesome. Great sound quality, long battery life, extremely stylish, small, and durable design. And while it has a slightly greater learning curve than the iPod, the controls work just as well after you put in like ten minutes to get used to them. I actually prefer the ''plus touch'' controller over the iPod's clickwheel. Since this is similar to the F series (just smaller and more stylish), I can say that the Fs are very good players--ignore CNet's complaints with the controls; they just want to score it lower than the iPod.

But if you're going to get a Gigabeat, I'd recommend waiting for the upcoming S series. They've got better software, they're as small and almost as cool as the Xs, have 4 more hours of battery life, and they've got video playback (with a whopping 6 hours of battery life), among other improvements. I would't bother importing an X; they have the coolest designs, more colorful screens, and I like the touch-sensitive plus touch, but you're better off waiting for the S series. I'm not sure if the Ss will come in 60GB, but I would guess they will.

One note: if you decide to save some cash and go with the Fs (again, I would wait for the Ss), you'd have to deal with SAT encryption--when you transfer files over, they're automatically locked to the Gigabeat so you can't transfer them to your or another computer--not a problem for me, but significant for some. I hear there's ways to get around it, though.

So, in conclusion: I would wait for the Gigabeat S. They're smaller, cooler, have better software, better battery life, and have video playback.

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Debating between x30 and "s series"
Mar 1, 2006 4:11AM PST

Congrats about getting the gigabeat x30! I'm still waiting for mine, it's been on back order for a while now. Just want to ask a few questions:

1. Does the manual come in English?
2. Is the software as bad as everyone says it is?

I do like the x30 design and especially the red color choice a lot (much more than I do the ''s series'' that's coming out in the US) and that's I why choose it over the ''s series.'' But I am debating if I should get the ''s series'' instead, because it is said that you can do click and drag, which the x30 doesn't support (I think). Any ideas? In addition, I heard the picture quality is better on the x30 than on the "s series." Is this true? Thanks!

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X30
Mar 1, 2006 6:23AM PST

Unfortunately, the manual doesn't come in English, which may be a problem because the controls aren't as simple as those on other mp3 players (though they're very intuitive once you know what everything does). The controls and menus are similar to those on the Fs, and I think you can download the manuals to them from the Gigabeat website.

The software isn't terrible, but it's not very good either. Editing Id3 tags and such can be a pain, though it has some nice features (you can browse by both folder and Id3 info, and you can manually set pictures as album art). The biggest problem is that it crashes if you ask it to do too much, like changing the artist of 100 songs at once (which other music managers can handle). When I was transferring my music, I tried to change views from the computer to the Gigabeat, and it crashed, affecting the Gigabeat's hard drive. I had to reformat it and transfer everything again, a painstaking process.

Thankfully, you can also transfer with Windows Media Player, which I find to be a much better, more stable software application. Sadly, both ways encrypt the songs in SAT format. I had hoped to work around this with the USB mass storage, but while the computer recognizes it as a mass storage device, transferring files to it doesn't seem to work.

As far as style goes, I think the X30 definitely looks better than the S. Yes, they look very similar, but there's lots of little things. The plus touch on the X is cheap-feeling and ugly-looking (and I like the X30's touch-sensitive one), the buttons on the side are round instead of the slick rectangle shape, the two black buttons on the front look odd, it's strange how there's a little slope on the back, etc. I also think it's a shame Toshiba replaced the red color with metallic blue--I thought red was by far the coolest color. Also, the X30's screen has four times the colors of the S'--so pictures do look a lot better.

The Gigabeat X30 is overall an awesome player--stylish, compact, well-built design, long battery life, and great sound quality--but its feature set is a bit on the paltry side. I think it's fine for me, but there's no video, FM tuner, on-the-go playlists (I do wish it had these; you CAN make one playlist at a time, but it's very limited), or custom EQ (but it has a whopping 33 presets, each of which greatly affects the found--I'm sure you'd find some you'd like). So basically, you're choosing between the design (the X30) or features (the S series). I find the X30 to be a great mp3 player, and I've come to realize that I don't regret buying it, despite the release of the S series. If you look at features and value, the S might be a better choice. But only you can make that decision.

Good luck with whatever you choose.

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MediaMonkey!
Mar 19, 2006 7:50AM PST

Instead of the included software, download the free MediaMonkey software. It's one of the best music managers I've seen, and it works perfectly with the Gigabeat.

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Vision:M (n/c)
Jan 15, 2006 2:11PM PST

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I've got an F40.
Jan 15, 2006 9:20PM PST

Which is identical in form factor to the F60. The only difference, as far as I know is just the storage space. And yea, I'd just like to say that I love the player. It's got great audio quality. There are something like 32 equalizer settings, including the 3 SRS WOW settings and a customizable equalizer setting, too. and people complain of distortion and whatnot, but I've not heard that at all. I found that most of the time, distortion and audio problems had to do with the files themselves. And yea, the gigabeat is sonically superior to the iPod from what I know...although I haven't listened to the 5G iPod yet, so I can't say for that one.

And the Plustouch pad isn't as hard to use as cnet made it out to seem. It appears they just didn't read the manual. Sure, there are little quirks, control-wise, that the Gigabeat has, but they're nothing major. Let's see, you just learn to slide your fingers across the pad for accessing menus, touch the pad to change songs and whatnot, and that's about the gist of it. Maybe I'm too used to the plustouch pad now, but I just can't seem to get comfortable with the scrollpad on the iPod. It's just more foreign to me, after using the Gigabeat for so long.

Well, since you're saying you're more about the audio than the video, there's no real reason to wait for the new Gigabeat S series. The only real problem that I see people having is with the Gigaroom software. I can see how people would think it's buggy, but it's run perfectly fine on my computer. The only time it gives me problems is if I'm trying to transfer a file that turns out to be corrupt onto my Gigabeat.

There's also a firmware update rumoured to hit sometime this winter, which should significantly improve sound quality, too. But that's still vaporware, as of now. I also like the fact that it comes bundled with a remote (F40 and F60 models only) and a cradle (all models) for the player, just makes it that much more attractive to me. I got an F10 back in June when it first shipped and then upgraded to a Philips HDD6330, whch was terrible, and went with the F40. I have not regretted that one bit. Well, maybe the Philips player bit, but otherwise, yeah..I'm immensely happy with my Gigabeat.

Hope that's helpful.

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Thanks
Jan 16, 2006 5:51AM PST

Hey Hoob....

Thanks for that, good to find someone that's actually using one and seems to find it working fine. Yeah the only difference between F40 and F60 as far as I know too is just storage. Guess the only reason for waiting for the S series is just so that I don't have something that's out of date within 3 months, plus the interface for the S series is supposed to be much much better....

Still can't decide what to do!!! Wish I'd never heard that the S was coming out....hehe

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Waiting or not
Jan 16, 2006 7:19AM PST

These are the advantages of the S series over the Fs. You can decide whether or not they're enough for you to wait a couple months.

S advantages:
+Smaller and lighter
+Video playback
+Tactile plus touch (if you like tactile)
+Better software
+No SAT encryption
+4 more hours of battery life

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Now Creative Vision M appears......
Jan 19, 2006 10:39AM PST

So after all the research I went to a store to have a play with the Tosh and the Ipod. I was amazed to find that neither have a simple function in the interface that I always use on my current Creative Zen Xtra.

The Creative has an Add To Play function which lets you add genres, albums, artists, playlists and individual tracks to a 'Selected Music' menu, so you can kinda build up a playlist on the fly.....amazingly neither me or the guy at the store could find a way of doing this in the Ipod or Gigabeat, it seems on those you have to pick an artist or album and just play the lot, and when it's done or when you're bored pick something else to play.

Anyway, coz of this I wonder if Creative has something that might fit the bill....so I go to the site and see the Vision:M being announced at CES. Looks like it's pretty much what I'm after and has a similar creative interface and features that i'm used to.

One problem....they're not releasing in Australia until late March early April!! God knows why it's gonna take so long to get here, might order from the web somewhere or just wait.....we'll see but I think it may well end up being the vision:m in the end.

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its not in 60gb
Mar 1, 2006 6:57AM PST

at least as of now, the CZVM is only available in 30gb

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gigabeat s
Jun 6, 2006 3:24AM PDT

go with the gigabeat better rating and the ipod is old news, everyone has one go with the gigabeat s