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Are my eyes playing games...
Jul 9, 2007 4:40AM PDT

Are my eyes playing games on me? I could have sworn that this thread was locked before this post. Must have been wrong.

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(NT) This sub-thread is closed.
Jul 9, 2007 5:39AM PDT
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Huh?
Jul 8, 2007 3:37AM PDT

No, I am not jealous. I am not a power mad megalomaniac.

It has nothing whatever to do with my "heroes", assuming I have any. That didn't really make any sense, did it? I merely point pout that a sucker is born every minute and Gore is taking advantage of that. Am I wrong? I doubt it.

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Look, it's basest human nature...
Jul 8, 2007 3:51AM PDT

... to be jealous of success. Don't be hard on yourself. You can't help it.

Grin

All teasing aside... if these folks are such suckers then why spend so much time pointing it out? Could it be that you find great satisfaction from being critical or you're jealous.

Sorry, that was more teasing again.

Ahhh... I just can't take your POV on this matter seriously. Sorry. I'll shut up now.

Happy

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Jealous of success...?
Jul 8, 2007 5:40AM PDT

Whose success am I supposedly jealous of? Nope. I've been successful enough on my own and am jealous of no one. That's ridiculous.

I point out that people are being fooled because there is a movement to fool all of us and affect our lives in a way I do not care for. That should be obvious. It's a warning.

Whether you take my point of view seriously or not is totally irrelevant to me.

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Are "they are largely responsible"?
Jul 8, 2007 3:01AM PDT
Are you saying they are largely responsible and need to be specially targeted?

No, we all are responsible, and only a select few are actually capable of affecting quick, decisive change in the here and now. The rest of us are left with the ability to make change in small increments. Since my remaining life span is much shorter than a 19 year olds then their cumulative changes in consumption will have much more impact than mine. That is why the generation I spoke of does indeed need to be specially targeted.

Can they be the generation that will start doing right by the planet? Well, I would say the last couple generations started in the right direction but like all human life, good intentions and enthusiasm are waylaid by children and family, jobs and responsibilities, and the lessening desire for self sacrifice in favor of creature comforts.

As for your comments about flash vis a vis drunks and such. Are you saying that flashy stuff that attracts younger people is addictive and self destructive? Come on Steven, you were a kid once. If you don't understand what I meant by this comment then I suspect you didn't have much fun as a young adult. Heck, even the devout Baptist kids who live down the road drive by with their car radio turned all the way up after they get out of ear shot of their parents.

Was the idealism of this Live Earth event offset by the realities of logistics. Sure it was but these events have become "de rigueur" for raising social awareness. What about Farm Aid? Heck, what about the Republican and Democratic Conventions held every 4 years? Want to point out this event as hypocritical? What about a political Town Hall Meeting celebrating democracy... where you have to sign a loyalty oath just to get in? Yep, when you start analyzing these things then you can find some pretty tragic flaws in every public event out there.

Maybe I misunderstood what you're saying here. Is it a bad plan? I will just say it's a plan. A call for action designed to capture the imagination and motivate. See, that's the great thing about being young. You can still imagine you can change the world on the grand scale. It's a carrot and stick situation here Steven. Let them enjoy the carrot for a while before you smack them with the stick. Happy
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I'll forgive the subtle personal digs
Jul 8, 2007 7:21AM PDT

You won't hear such from me. One question I will answer is

"Heck, what about the Republican and Democratic Conventions held every 4 years? Want to point out this event as hypocritical?"

with an emphatic yes. In fact, IMO, you are being too kind. Happy

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BTW, carrot and stick comparison
Jul 8, 2007 8:32AM PDT

I'm sure you know what that means. It has nothing to do with trying a carrot but resorting to a stick if the carrot doesn't work. The carrot and stick image refers to deliberately putting a goal out of reach using trickery while watching the victim continue to chase the carrot it cannot get. The stick is lashed to the victim and the carrot and is just long enough to keep the victim close enough to victory to keep them struggling with you watching in other amusement while trying to realize another goal instead. That's what "carrot and stick" means. If you are implying that it's ok to "trick" people into coming to these concerts to fulfill another agenda, that's not very nice. Happy

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My mistake
Jul 8, 2007 10:01AM PDT

Further reading shows the carrot and stick to come from farmers using a carrot dangling from a stick to get a donkey to pull a cart. The idea was to put the carrot just out of reach to keep the donkey interested and moving. If the donkey did not move, the stick could be used as a whip. A lazy farmer with a stupid donkey could just tie the stick to the animal and position the carrot out of its reach. Sort of an early "autopilot". Happy The donkey was not given the carrot as a reward. In today's usage/adaptation, the "carrot and stick approach" does include both reward and punishment. I have erred.

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No personal digs intended there Steven.
Jul 8, 2007 11:59AM PDT

In my loquacious manner I may have appeared to get personal but the intention was not there.

Forgive me if you felt insulted... such was not my intension.

Happy

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Isn't that the whole point of such events?
Jul 8, 2007 3:10AM PDT

Convince others to take action to 'solve' your perceived problem. Personal sacrifice is clearly an extremist measure. It's kind of like Gore selling carbon credits to himself.

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" Personal sacrifice is clearly an extremist measure."
Jul 8, 2007 3:12AM PDT

Huh?

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That is clearly what Gore and the Hollywood crowd believe.
Jul 8, 2007 11:08AM PDT

That attracts many to their causes.

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so you're saying
Jul 8, 2007 7:55PM PDT

"there is no problem"

thanks for finally saying it....


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There is no problem
Jul 8, 2007 11:04PM PDT

Not what I'm saying. Read instead of misinterpreting, please. It is crystal clear what I am saying. Why distort?

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group therapy?
Jul 8, 2007 11:35PM PDT

or pack mentality at its finest....

amann answers for you, you answer for kiddpete....

i'll ignore this, you obviously meant it for someone else....."Read instead of misinterpreting, please. It is crystal clear what I am saying. Why distort?"

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Complete BS..
Jul 9, 2007 12:03AM PDT

I answered for no one; no one answered for me, That is simply untrue. It's a discussion. People may post as they wish. I have nothing whatever to do with what others post, and I resent the implication.

Ignore what you wish. You tried to put words in my mouth. I posted something about Al Gore, NOT the "problem". What you attributed to me is not at all what I said. It was a distortion. That is the truth.

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let me put it simply for you
Jul 9, 2007 12:22AM PDT

i posted in reply to this

so either you thought were logged in as someone else, or you misunderstood!!

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Sorry.
Jul 9, 2007 12:28AM PDT

Thought you were replying to my original post. My mistake.

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(NT) ok, we have no problem
Jul 9, 2007 12:35AM PDT