Tomorrow (Thurs) on PBS there's a Frontline called "The Jesus Factor". It's about Bush. - (NT)

The question now becomes,"How is he different tha Bin Laden?" Or for that matter any other ideologue? It also explains his inflexibility. When God chooses you you can never be wrong for you speak for a higher power.! I think it is time for another,closer look at mt. Bush!

I know I'll be watching his every move.

I'll take a closer look. I hope to be looking at him living in Crawford next year. And I don't mean on vacation for half the year either.

...what would you do? Would you do what he said?

Would you expect your best friend to believe you?

Would you be worried if you admitted it that everyone would think you were nuts?

Would you give a damn one way or the other?

I speak to God, all the time and not just to ask for help but for advise and inspriation. One thing I have learned is God has never answered me by ordering me to do anything but has shown me the options and then let me use my free will.

...tell me, "Shut up!" one time.

...Bush said that God ordered him to become President? How twisted! I think Bush looks to God for the very reasons you describe yet somehow that means you gotta watch him closer now. Sigh.

Evie

HE is the one who said God wanted him to be President

MK if you talk to God and look to him for inspiration, I find it very hard that you cannot see such an exclamation as his feeling the hand of God inspiring him to higher office. The rest of this thread is just plain bashing his religious beliefs. As I said to Josh, he is NOT at all like Pat Robertson claiming to have a direct line to God and knowing what God wants for everyone. I often think God wanted me to be a teacher, is there something wrong with that? Sheesh!

Evie

or sing-for-your-supper, (tax-payer financed!) social programs ... or our-side or their-side diplomacy... or EVILE!... or twisted-Darwinistic tax cuts... or equal time for creationISM in schools... or "health of the mother"... or education about prophylactics... or faith based cabnet level government departments... or... or... or...

Not a chance in heaven or earth that anyone else may be right or even have a point to make. God said! It's all very close to "My Way Or The Hiway!"

Sheesh yourself!

You'd think that if God really wanted him to be President he'd have given Bush a popular victory, or at the very least helped a few of those chads to break off.

Seems SATAN works in mysterious ways too.

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that could be seen as an indication of how few in America listen to God?

Not really my belief, don't think any supreme being forces political decisions.

Afterall, I believe that enough free will is granted to go to he!! in our own fashion.

Shrug, just pointing out anything can be used to support opposite views when interpretation and personal believes are involved.

Personally I haven't seen where he as acted as a direct spokesman ruling in the stead of a diety. Anyone that believe his God didn't want him to be President and became President anyway would certainly be just as dangerous as someone believing his God supported his actions.

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All that from one rather innocent statement. Whatever it is you're drinking send some my way!

Better he looks to God for inspiration and guidance in matters of life, death and war than looking to his "little soldier". JMO.

Evie

No one even questions George Bush's sincerity, most of all himself. He's religious and he has an agenda. That doesn't make him EVIL imo, but it does make me wonder how well he recognizes the two as being separate. And then there is the overwhelming realities of politics and what will "play in Pretoria". If an item on Bush's agenda list just happens to be misassociated with his faith, I wonder how fast the White House will rush in to straighten us all out. Probably it depends on the political pay-off.

The hard fought for liberalism, that we accept as normal, arose item by item. If a particular item has gone too far, it should be reexamined... item by item. Not swept away wholesale in a outraged religious fervor.

There are some things that I DON'T fear. I don't think there's much chance of racial apartheid coming back. Or women's "place". I do fear the financial back-rooms and the good-old-boys. Cloudy advantages in high financial places (and medium) are being hidden / smoke-screened by our anger about wasteful and preferential social programs. And our anger is being funneled by outrage at having our religious convictions seemingly side-lined by 'separation of church and state' arguments. "Overdue backlash?" Maybe. But a whole bunch of stuff is sneaking through in the cracks and crevices.

So how sincere is George Bush? I'll give you 100%. He's sincere about his faith. And he's sincere about his agenda. Myself, I'm afraid of each separately for separate reasons. Blended together, wow indeed!


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... I think people (all of us) fear most that which we do not understand. It seems clear to me from the various spins people have put on that comment that they don't understand Bush's relationship with God. If there was a better understanding of that, the fear might subside. Hey Bob, why don't you give this a try. Slip quietly into an SBC service tomorrow. Not saying you have to find Jesus or join, just witness what really goes on there. I think you'll be surprised. I'm not one myself, but have attended weddings and the like in Baptist churches (can't tell ya what "flavor" but ...). I've never felt anything but welcomed. Personally, I admire those who have a more disciplined relationship with God than I am able to maintain ... but I keep trying.

Evie

Hi, Evie.

OK, let's talk about the SBC. Do you honestly believe that the world is less than 10,000 years old? That wives should be submissive to their husbands? Both of those are tenets of the group of "inerrant" fundamentalists now running the main SBC Convention.

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... since I am not familiar with that religion nor an adherent thereto, I won't discuss it. I don't see that those who are pose any threat to me by virtue of their beliefs. I don't think what anyone believes as to the age of the planet has anything to do with anything, and as to your other point show me where that has influenced Bush and then we might talk. Contrary to Shrillary's nonsense comments at the pro-abortion rally the other day, it hasn't been this administration that has disrespected women and been an afront to sexual harrassment laws!

Evie

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Actually, James, Bush is now targeting the 40-hour work week, and that dates back to 1938.

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... I think you have the overtime law changes all wrong. Better check first before continuing on that drumbeat!

Evie

Hi, Evie.

I know what she says, but that's what neutral newspaper reporters have said:
Working: Who will lose overtime pay? List likely to be long.

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The article is short on specifics. It seems to me that the lions' share of those who are "winners" far outweigh the "losers". Basically, your biggest beef you have previously expressed is that low wage people can be exempt from overtime simply by attaching the title manager ... not so under the new regs. I would like to see a detailed analysis of actual jobs to see if they are making overtime now. I look at the list and the question that keeps popping up is "are these hourly jobs now", and most of the people I know of in the fields are salaried as it stands so it's all fine and good to cry that they would no longer be eligible to make overtime ... but have they been?

Evie

Since businesses are avoiding it and benefits by hiring temps where they use to hire pernament full time workers.


And it's spreading, just as outsourcing is, up the ranks.

The Bureau of Labor Statistics predicts that the staffing industry will add 1.8 million new jobs between 2002 and 2012, a 54% increase, with professional jobs growing 68%. Along with outsourcing and productivity-improving software, the rise in temporary hiring is one of the big structural shifts redefining the job market, ...

Temps are good business in some instances, but business are turning to doing full time work with temps, to avoid commiment to employees. As well as overtime and benefits, business are avoiding unemployment responsibilities in some degree with temps being larger part of the work force.


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