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tomh can you help Optura 60 vs PV-GS250

Apr 14, 2005 10:39AM PDT

I have been looking for a good consumer cam and would like to get it before I go on vacation next month. I think I have narrowed it down to the Canon Optura 60 and the Panasonic GS-250. I have read about tape transport problems with the GS-400 and some other reliability problems with Pana consumer cams which has me a little worried about the GS-250. But the 250 is a 3 CCD cam.
Is any one familiar with these cams or does any one have an opinion. How do you think clarity and color of the Optura 60 single CCD might compare to the 3 CCD of the GS250

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They will be close
Apr 14, 2005 9:36PM PDT

I had a GS200, and I currently have an Optura 60.

I recently read an article about the primary RGB color filter than Canon uses and it indicated that this filter was far superior than the CMY filters that most consumer camcorders use, and if fact the results were very similar to 3 CCD cams.

In my experience, the Optura is close to the GS200 that I had in color, with perhaps a very slight edge going to the GS200. I assume the SG250 would be very similar. It is almost the same camera with the addition of optical image stabilization that was badly needed.

However considering the other features, I went for the Optura and don't regret it. The manual controls over both video and photo are great. The Optura has a true widescreen mode - it uses all the pixels in the sensor and actually widens the field of view when it's on. I understand the Panasonic doesn't have a true wide screen mode, it just squeezes the video to fit. That's a major consideration for me because I'll probably start switching to 16:9 video soon, to match the new TVs. It's probably better for vacation scenery videos cause you actually get a wider field of view. The still pics of the Canon is suprisingly good, much better than the GS200 was. Since I'm a Canon still camera guy, the Optura was a natural since it has controls much like Canon's digital still cameras. The Canon also has a built-in LED light, which works suprisingly well in low light close up shots to fill in the shadows. In still photo mode, the LED works as a low-light focus assist, which works very well, allowing it to focus in complete darkness. Both the Canon and the Panasonic will do a great job of focusing without hunting.

Either way, you'll get a good camera.

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Good Info Thanks
Apr 15, 2005 4:19AM PDT

Thanks for your reply and helpful info tomh.

Just for conversation have you experienced what one guy did at the pana3ccdused site. He said he had a Optura 60 and returned it because ?there was a noticeable "banding" -- you could see the horizontal lines of video, making the picture seem less fluid and more pixilated?. He said he did not get that with the GS250.

On paper it seems the Op60 has more going for it then the GS250. True 16:9, 14x zoom, manual audio gain, mini video light, 16mg card (none with the 250).

Since I asked my question here I found more info.

If you want a good Op60 review go to;
http://www.emptyloft.com/optura60/

Pana 3CCD go to;
http://www.pana3ccduser.com/

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How is low light performance
Apr 16, 2005 1:03AM PDT

Thanks tomh for the reply and good info.
Just for conversation have you experienced what one guy did at the pana3ccdused site. He said he had a Optura 60 and returned it because ?there was a noticeable "banding" -- you could see the horizontal lines of video, making the picture seem less fluid and more pixilated?.

How do you like its low light performence and overall picture quality?

On paper it seems the Op60 has more going for it then the GS250. True 16:9, 14x zoom, manual audio gain, mini video light, 16mg card (none with the 250).

Since I asked my question here I found more info.

If you want a good Op60 review go to;
http://www.emptyloft.com/optura60/

Pana 3CCD go to;
http://www.pana3ccduser.com/

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In the same boat, colour on Optura 50 vs 60
Apr 19, 2005 12:53AM PDT

I have to admit I am now in the same boat as you trying to decide between these two. I had originally been heading for the Optura 50 but then decided it was worth the extra for the 60's better zoom. I went to take a look at the camera's in Best Buy and they had an Optura 50 next to the Panasonic GS250, I was able to compare their images on the monitor screen side by side, this is indoors of course and not particularly bright, the Panasonic has noticeably nicer colours. I don't know if the colour gets better going from the Optura 50 to 60 and would like to hear hopefully here. Though the Panasonic has less zoom I think I would still probably choose it but it is very very close.

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Sorry I didn?t see your post
Apr 22, 2005 1:26PM PDT

Glad to hear you got to see both side by side. I have only managed to see the GS150 but they couldn?t even put it on a monitor for me. I have read others with the same concerns. By chance did you have a tape in the Op60. At another site, http://www.dvinfo.net/conf/forumdisplay.php?f=71, there is some comparison discussions and a guy who got a real noisy Op 60. That?s why I asked if you had a tape going.

With what you say and that noise problem I am leaning GS250. Hate to give up on the Op 60 it looks like such an all inclusive well rounded cam. Panasonic disappointed me with the 10x zoom and no manual audio gain (true 16:9 is not to important to me) but I have had the feeling that the image is going to be noticeable better then the Op60.

The Op50 is same as the 60 minus 14x zoom, advanced accessory shoe, USB 2.0 high speed and video light so image and color should be the same.

I wanted a cam before I go on vacation in May but now I just may wait till the Op60 gets a major review by like cnet or dvspot.

Let me know what you decide on. Good luck

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Waiting too
Apr 22, 2005 2:16PM PDT

Luckily I have a little longer to wait until I absolutely need to order the camcorder and will be keeping an eye open for reviews and reports.
I like the 14x zoom and filming light on the Canon also, but I am tending to go more for the Panasonic. There is always something on another camera you want, for instance the integrated lens cap on the GS150!
Since you will be getting yours before me I guess, let me know what you decide on getting and give us an update after you have had a chance to really try it out. Will be much appreciated.
Thanks,
Adam

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Check DV Spot or camcorderinfo
Apr 24, 2005 4:51AM PDT

Recommend that you check dvspot.com or camcorderinfo.com for reviews on the optura and panasonic. Both rate the panasonic very high. As for the light, best I can tell the light only works in combo with a low light mode (i.e., slow shutter speed). Reviews I have read are not very high on this feature of the optura.

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i tried both at frys
May 2, 2005 5:21PM PDT

I've also been doing comparison shopping between the 60 and gs250. The images seemed almost identical on lcd screen and I couldn't really tell the difference with pana's 3ccd. i wasn't really trustworthy of Fry's display monitors since they seemed a bit dated themselves. In terms of physical use, holding the panasonic seemed a bit more easy to use if u have bigger hands and has a nice wider turning radius for fine tuning on the manual focus compared to the smaller optura 60. all in all, both are very nice cameras. but all the miniscule advantages of the gs250 still doesn't outweigh optura's true 16:9 widescreen. I'm buying my optura 60 tomorrow Happy

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Was about to buy Optura now confused again....
May 5, 2005 6:51AM PDT

All the video junkies I know keep saying 3CCD!! 3 CCD!!!!

Also, the Panasonic has a Leica Lens...
Does anyone know what lens the canon uses?

Is the OPTURA 60 definitely better in low light? (I plan to use it at music shows...which are usually fairly dark)


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