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To eddie11013. Why it got deleted.

Aug 13, 2007 5:44AM PDT

When Microsoft issues a Beta it only does so to official testers. Your testing of XP SP3 obtained through a P2P is not official and so breaks the rules, not only Microsoft's but also CNET's Forum Policies.

I strongly advise you to review your understanding of these policies. Whether by accident, innocence or otherwise, this is the second time you have transgressed in as many days. I'm English and I don't pretend to know American sport that well, but I understand that, in Baseball, the rule is 3 strikes and you're out.

Seems a good rule to me.

Mark

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Hi Mark
Aug 13, 2007 7:52AM PDT

Well, I kinda understand. The first post that you refer to, that Bob deleted, I understand why it was deleted. That post included a reference to a web site to download a software. According to Bob, it was pirate software. I didn?t know that. When Bob sorta explained it, I still didn?t understand how the average person could tell if it was pirate software or not. To me it looked like a perfectly normal site. Bob even stated that he really had to look at it to tell it ?must? be pirate software. So how was I to tell, he?s an expert, I?m not. In addition, if one reads my post, one can tell that I wasn?t even impressed with the software. Basically just posing the question of whether a pre windows defrag program was even worth looking at. Since it didn?t work for me, I dropped the issue. However, wouldn?t of it being better for everyone concerned, for you guys to edit out my reference to said site or told me to repost without the reference to that web site. Either could have been easily done and maybe some people on the forum could have been better served.

Regarding the sp3. There was a recent posting on this site, asking various questions about what may and may not be included in this ?release?. This is tropical inquiry on this forum. This is what is done on this forum. I only attempted to answer some on those questions. I didn?t know that the ?Softpedia? web site is considered a P2P. Is there a listing somewhere that tells the average person which sites to avoid because their P2P? And while I understand the warnings I see here about avoiding P2P sites because they might contain viruses, etc., isn?t it up to the user to decide, but, don?t come crying to me for help if something goes wrong! Isn?t that the real point.

Your right about my testing of the sp3 ?is not official?. I took a chance, and if I broke my machine it would have been my fault. Since I have backups, I figured I wasn?t taking much of a risk. While the suggestion was there that one could install sp3, I did state: ?Strong? word of caution, this is a ?pre? Beta. And if it hadn?t worked for me I would have reported that also, thought you now tell me it would have probably been deleted.

And again, people post inquires here all the time about various software. Does it work or not? Is it harmful or not? And this forum has been very helpful in giving feedback. I can guarantee that there will be a lot of people checking out sp3, don?t you think they deserve to know? One way or the other. It?s out there, and people are finding it. They have been waiting for a very long time for it. There going to try it.

If you want to ban me, so be it. I have posted many times here trying to help others. And others have helped me. But I disagree on how this is being handled.
Regards,
Eddie

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It was put to a vote.
Aug 13, 2007 8:29AM PDT

Sorry that you feel this is not going your way. We try to pay out as much rope as possible but when it comes to this area the rope never seems long enough.

As to your other post, it wasn't that hard to find out it was pirated goods since Paragon didn't offer the content (first clue) and there were others. Even if I didn't delete it we do get requests from authors/owners to remove such things.

I hope you understand it's better we clean this up rather than Paragon or Microsoft notice it and come after you.

Hope this makes it clear.

Bob

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What to avoid...
Aug 13, 2007 12:34PM PDT

I'm on a short hiatus but saw this pop up in the mod alerts so I'm dropping in to add my two cents. In the case of Windows XP's SP3, it is currently in a small private beta, just like Windows Vista's SP1. Those who obtained it through the proper channels communicate problems directly with Microsoft and are generally instructed not to discuss most details publicly. It's not offered to the general public in any form at this time, and the "leaked" copies are prohibited. Hypotheticals, speculation, wishes, etc. are fine and more than welcome, but as soon as it turns to discussion of leaked copies, confidential information, download links, etc. the thread will be locked and/or deleted. I hope this explains the reasoning behind the deletion. It's not about it being a pre-beta, potentially glitchy, unofficial, etc, it is specifically about the legal nature associated with the licensing agreements and the restrictions they impose.

As to downloading in general, Softpedia is not a P2P site or service. They do, however, occasionally mention and link to torrents and P2P content, referring to third-party peer-hosted content. Usage of such download methods is indeed at the discretion of the user as you said, but around 90% of the content is pirated or otherwise prohibited. Thus, before downloading anything you must first look into the software licensing agreement. That should entail looking for the author's website to see if it is freeware or trial only, if people are allowed to redistribute it, etc. In the case of the Paragon defragmentation software, you'd notice they offer free trials which you can link to, whereas the link you found is to an unknown third-party hosting the full version, something Paragon doesn't just give away. That brings up a general rule: use and link to the author's website or a trusted download host, such as Cnet's download.com or Softpedia, whenever possible. Following it reduces the risk of the download containing dangerous code as well as the chances of infringing upon a copyright or other licensing agreements.

Looking over your history it's hard to believe you meant any harm, so I would consider banning a premature thought. Just be careful of bringing up downloads found on suspicious websites and P2P/torrent networks, as those can be discussion killers if the circumstances don't pan out.

John

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Thanks for addressing my comments, John
Aug 14, 2007 12:18AM PDT

I wasn?t trying to be argumentative, I was just trying to understand. Regarding sp3, understood. Nothing more needs to be stated.

Regarding ?Paragon?, which I found visiting another forum, a poster give two web sites, one to the review and the other to where the software could be downloaded. I saw nothing unusual about that. People post like that all the time. I didn?t look to investigate, nor did I think it was necessary, as far as I was concerned everything was on the up & up. This ?other? forum, also, always states that ?cracks? & pirated software will not be allowed, so I wasn?t concerned. ?McAfee site advisor? stated it was a safe site. Just an FYI, I did post in that other forum, that I received a reprimand for posting those links. Don?t know if I will get any kind of a response.

Anyway, point taken, and understood. Will do my best to abide by the rules. Was just trying to be helpful as others have helped me.

Thanks again for replying and helping me understand,
Eddie