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to charlie please provide pictures of

by Mark5019 / November 1, 2004 8:59 AM PST

the us troops raping women pleaee was it a 1 time afair like mia li?? please dont do a kerry.were the men punished?

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Let audio/videos, images and documents paint the *TRUTH*
by Chorus-Line A1-QMS / November 1, 2004 8:42 PM PST

You have many questions as usual, I have few answers to share...certainly not simplified by "yes or no" as previously implied and or questioned.

60 minutes goes a long ways but not for others at fox news. Nevertheless, navigate your ways through the links Dear Inquiring Mind as an acceptance or disposal of evidences at pleasure.

Quoted by Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt,

"If we can't hold ourselves up as an example of how to treat people with dignity and respect, we can't ask that other nations do that to our soldiers."

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Re: Let audio/videos, images and documents paint the *TRUTH*
by Evie / November 1, 2004 8:46 PM PST

This has been dealt with accordingly.

Don't see anything about raping Iraqi women.

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(NT) (NT) a CBS report from 20 april '04?
by jonah jones / November 1, 2004 8:58 PM PST
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The Rape?
by Chorus-Line A1-QMS / November 1, 2004 9:07 PM PST
Iraqi women rape by *our* soldiers?

Second to the top says, Photos Show Rape of Iraqi Women by US Occupation Forces

Could it be possible?
Nah it couldn't be?
Yah it is possible?
Hmmmmm.....
I don't know
I don't know either.
What do you think?
I don't think of anything.
Why not?
Who cares?
Now that is pretty stupid not to care.
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Do you bother to read what you cite?
by Diane Harrison / November 1, 2004 10:44 PM PST
In reply to: The Rape?

There were only five women at the prison to begin with. Your first links were later debunked by others including these below. AND, as it points out, the Muslim culture and Iraqi society equate a suggestion of rape or just the imprisonment with rape, period, and will sometimes kill their own women for such. How terrifically enlightened of them Sad

"BAGHDAD - The pictures would horrify anyone: hooded US soldiers raping and torturing naked Iraqi women at gunpoint. But for Farah al-Azzawi, these blurry photos burn with agony and shame.

Ms. Azzawi is part of a secret sisterhood: her mother is one of three women inside Abu Ghraib, the notorious prison where US soldiers took smiling snapshots of themselves sadistically humiliating Iraqis.

That's why some anonymous ill-wisher slipped a newspaper with the rape photos on the front page under her front door.

The pictures in the paper are fakes, bad copies lifted from a porn website and now ricocheting around the Internet. But in Iraq, where the photos circulate on floppy discs and CDs and splash across newspapers and TV screens, most people believe them.

"I know they're not real, but people won't believe it," says Azzawi, a pretty 20-year-old, holding up the paper with a shaking hand. "Who's going to marry their daughters after they see a thing like that."
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0528/p01s02-woiq.htm

Rumors of prison rape have been eddying for months. They started with a letter, allegedly smuggled out of Abu Ghraib by a female prisoner. Passed from one person to another, the letter and the photos are being used by anti-US clerics and militants to stir up outrage against the occupation.

"Please, bomb us with bombs, and even with nuclear weapons, because we are all pregnant by American soldiers," reads one version of the letter. "Every day they walk us naked in front of soldiers and other prisoners. We want you to know that if you have a daughter in here, or a mother, or a sister, that she has been raped and is pregnant by these American soldiers."

The letter might be fabricated - different versions of it crop up, and no one has been able to find the girl who wrote it. But to most Iraqis, it doesn't really matter: the real photos of abuse at Abu Ghraib gave all rumors, both true and false, instant credibility.

Even before the scandal at Abu Ghraib, many Iraqis viewed imprisonment of women as tantamount to rape. "In our culture, if a woman has been to prison, it's as though she has been violated," says Yanar Mohammed, a woman's rights activist and editor of the newspaper Equality. "It is assumed that men have put their hands on her, that she has been touched in improper ways."

In Iraq, even a whisper of rape is enough to dishonor a woman - and her family. Sometimes families will even kill women who have been raped to "wash" the stain from the family name."
Rumors of prison rape have been eddying for months. They started with a letter, allegedly smuggled out of Abu Ghraib by a female prisoner. Passed from one person to another, the letter and the photos are being used by anti-US clerics and militants to stir up outrage against the occupation.

"Please, bomb us with bombs, and even with nuclear weapons, because we are all pregnant by American soldiers," reads one version of the letter. "Every day they walk us naked in front of soldiers and other prisoners. We want you to know that if you have a daughter in here, or a mother, or a sister, that she has been raped and is pregnant by these American soldiers."

The letter might be fabricated - different versions of it crop up, and no one has been able to find the girl who wrote it. But to most Iraqis, it doesn't really matter: the real photos of abuse at Abu Ghraib gave all rumors, both true and false, instant credibility.

Even before the scandal at Abu Ghraib, many Iraqis viewed imprisonment of women as tantamount to rape. "In our culture, if a woman has been to prison, it's as though she has been violated," says Yanar Mohammed, a woman's rights activist and editor of the newspaper Equality. "It is assumed that men have put their hands on her, that she has been touched in improper ways."

In Iraq, even a whisper of rape is enough to dishonor a woman - and her family. Sometimes families will even kill women who have been raped to "wash" the stain from the family name.
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0528/p01s02-woiq.htm
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/July2004/Rajiva0727.htm

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(NT) (NT) Yes because they're short.
by Chorus-Line A1-QMS / November 1, 2004 11:07 PM PST
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(NT) (NT) So is "yes or no?" on terrorism
by Diane Harrison / November 1, 2004 11:11 PM PST
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(NT) (NT) ROFLMAO!!!!
by Charlie Thunell PL&T / November 1, 2004 11:12 PM PST
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charlie only you would lol, proves what we all think of you
by Mark5019 / November 2, 2004 12:45 AM PST
In reply to: (NT) ROFLMAO!!!!

your own words are a testiment of lack of good judgement

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Re: Let audio/videos, images and documents paint the *TRUTH*
by Mark5019 / November 2, 2004 12:43 AM PST

thats not viet nam where charlies post was it was locked sorry cl wrong
charlie made a statement that i asked for proof that american gis raped vietnam women so im asking him to prove it like kerrys lies about all the atrocities.

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Well then mark, let's go to Vietnam

Goggle it and type in: GI's rape of woman in Vietnam.

I'm still reading some of it. Amazing historical information. I may be 9 or 10 years old at time and didn't really care what was going on...so much to learn about things you never cared for.

I can't imagine what effect this would be on the survivors particularly children.

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well cl as i served there same
by Mark5019 / November 2, 2004 3:51 AM PST

time as hanoin kerry and as i never saw that i doubt it

and anything you say i dont beleave comeing from you as your friends actions make you doubtfull if you can figure out what i mean is your lack of what ever makes any thing you say suspect.
charlies wrants are as good as yours teats on a bull

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Well mark...
by Chorus-Line A1-QMS / November 2, 2004 6:00 AM PST

...you this and you that certainly is not going to accomplish much of anything.

But thanks for the root postings to this thread because it led me to discover something more than I am expecting. Wink

Talking about Charlie, well he's such a sweet thing and I think you are too.

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(NT) (NT) that comeing from you i take as an insult
by Mark5019 / November 2, 2004 6:33 AM PST
In reply to: Well mark...
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Re: to charlie please provide pictures of
by John Robie / November 1, 2004 11:34 PM PST
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Re: allowed to continue dialog
by jonah jones / November 2, 2004 12:47 AM PST

hi John....

well, on the assumption that the animals are still roaming the streets and deserts of Iraq, and that their mis-guided sense of "islam or die" will be prevalent, the dialogue won't be "continued" but 'renewed' with each barbaric act by (in this case) sub-humans!

i hope i'm wrong, but then again, history does have a habit of repeating itself...


jonah


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well john i
by Mark5019 / November 2, 2004 12:50 AM PST

feel when you see such false hoods stated like he made best be opened up like Kerry's 2 tours wrong facts need be corrected people go about spouting things they know nothing about like Americans raping women in Nam with no proof. i find that slanderous.

so let charlie post his link like i asked at the start?

no big deal

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Jonah & Mark..
by John Robie / November 2, 2004 1:13 AM PST

I agree with both of you. Many times I can see where/why the lock is placed to stop further posts in a thread. I personally think many subjects in a locked thread should be continued. The thing is that apparently Mods have different outlooks on this.

Is this a individual Mods judgment call based on their personal outlook/views? Other than a Mod saying to post on a lock thread can result in banning, I wonder what the policy is as there is nothing in the CNet Policy notices concerning this.

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PS..
by John Robie / November 2, 2004 1:17 AM PST
In reply to: Jonah & Mark..

Sorta like when a post of mine was deleted a good while back, I rewrote it completely with no possible violation, but a Mod threatened me with banning....how dare you post after I deleted, like I violated a court order.

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