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To all Democrats!

by Charlie Thunell PL&T / November 2, 2004 5:12 PM PST

It seems as if GW is going to win. At least by now.

The question is then, who would have done a better job as a candidate for the presidency, than Kerry? If nobody, then you have to admit that Bush was the only one to vote for! Did you contribute to Kerry's campaign?

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Re: To all Democrats!
by Mark5019 / November 2, 2004 10:18 PM PST
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charlie if iw was sam nunn id vote for him in a ny min i trust the nam
kerrys deciet cost hime the race

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Re: To all Democrats!
by Josh K / November 2, 2004 11:06 PM PST
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The only people who thought Kerry was deceitful were the people who weren't about to vote against Bush regardless of who his opponent was.

I don't think Kerry was aggressive or charismatic enough. He didn't lash out hard enough at the Swift Boat nonsense (and yeah, releasing his records would have been a good way to go about that) and there were other areas in which I thought he could have been more in Bush's face.

Who else would I have liked to see run? I dunno, the pickin's were pretty slim this time around. It might have been fun if Colin Powell had switched parties and run against Bush, LOL.

Ironically, one person who is probably secretly very happy about the outcome is Hillary Clinton. This opens the door for her to run in '08.

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Re: To all Democrats!
by Evie / November 2, 2004 11:11 PM PST
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He didn't lash out hard enough at the Swift Boat nonsense

Yeah right. How gracious of you to call 200+ vets that oppose him because they know first hand he is unfit for the office "nonsense".
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(NT) (NT) Maybe we can now see all the Swift Boat Vet movies?
by Kiddpeat / November 2, 2004 11:16 PM PST
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Rush Limbaugh said, months ago, that that was the plan
by Kiddpeat / November 2, 2004 11:14 PM PST
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all along. The Clintons did not want Kerry to win.

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Yeah, THERE's an authority on Democratic politics !!???
by Ziks511 / November 3, 2004 9:54 AM PST

I think the problem is the lack of a campaign manager like Karl "Darth Vader" Rove or James "the Pit Bull" Carvill. The Dems have to take all of this more seriously like the Repubs did 30 years ago, put a permanent structure in place to fight for their overall agenda for 4 years and then have enough people to counterpunch every nasty thing the Republicans say the minute they say it. Don't let them get away with anything, like the Swift Boat ads.

Trouble is the Dems spend the off-season infighting among themselves each trying to climb to the top of the greasy pole. They then have so many enemies within the party and are so tired out by the process that the Presidential campaign is often conducted by the weak and the second rate.

Grow up Democrats there's more to this than ME! ME! ME!

Rob Boyter

Rob Boyter

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(NT) (NT) Swifties weren't the Republican Party Rob
by Evie / November 3, 2004 8:23 PM PST
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Re: Swifties weren't the Republican Party Rob -- yeah, right
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / November 4, 2004 12:25 PM PST

just another cog in the republican big lie machine, Evie.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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The opinions expressed above are my own,
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Re: Swifties weren't the Republican Party Rob -- yeah, right
by David Evans / November 4, 2004 12:40 PM PST

Pleeeeeeeze keep saying that Dave, you helped us win this election with four years of daily whining and I'm confident you'll help us win the next one too!

Hey, whatcha think about the big Bush/Cheney win? And the humiliating defeat of Daschle? And the GOP gains in the Senate and House? lol

yuk yuk yuk!

DE

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then why wouldnr kerry release his records ?
by Mark5019 / November 4, 2004 12:58 PM PST

the facts were there but he refused to let the facts speak for him and so you wanna ***** about bush winning get over it.

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Re: Swifties weren't the Republican Party Rob -- yeah, right
by Glenda / November 4, 2004 1:23 PM PST

So was Michael Moore the cog in the Democrats lie machine?
Glenda

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Re: To all Democrats!
by Mark5019 / November 2, 2004 11:44 PM PST
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ive met senator sam nunn josh id vote for him and i think you would to.
mans honest.
josh we agreed on something!!! mark your calander:)

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Re: To all Democrats!
by Josh K / November 2, 2004 11:56 PM PST
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LOL Mark, it's happened before and I'm sure it will happen again. I've heard Sam Nunn's name over the years but I don't know much about him. Maybe one of those good qualities is that he's too smart to run for President. Wink

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(NT) (NT) Thanks.
by Josh K / November 3, 2004 12:37 AM PST
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(NT) (NT) Haven't met him but he gives good vibes, always has.
by Ziks511 / November 3, 2004 9:55 AM PST
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Releasing all records...
by Edward ODaniel / November 3, 2004 1:07 AM PST
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would have validated his fellow Swifties claims which is why he wouldn't.

His own biographer for instance sountered Kerry's claim that they had an agreement of confidentiality that prevented his releasing of his personal "journal" (You know, the one that had an entry QUOTED IN THE BIOGRAPHY that he had not yet been shot at several days AFTER claiming his first self inflicted injury as an enemy inflicted wound).

Lieberman would have been a better and more believable choice who would have appealed much more to the centrist voter who voted for Bush because the extreme leftist views of Kerry were transparently obvious through his attempts to convince centrists of his "conservative" views.

Hopefully now, Bush will stop trying to pacify Democrats and get busy with cutting programs/social spending that has far outlived any usefullness.

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Joe Lieberman wouldve been better
by Dragon / November 3, 2004 1:51 AM PST
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But I dont think he had the 'gravitas' to pull it off. Image seems to carry more weight than it should. In the old days, it wouldnt have mattered so much, because there was no TV.

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Re: Joe Lieberman wouldve been better
by Josh K / November 3, 2004 2:00 AM PST

Lieberman had two basic problems:

1. He's Jewish. If you think a Catholic nominee has problems.....

2. That wobbly voice of his makes him sound like a wuss.

But as you say, neither of those were valid reasons to vote against him. The Democrats could have nominated him instead; he just never drummed up the support he needed. He's a little to my right but obviously closer to where I am than Bush is.

Is Al Gore partially to blame for endorsing Howard Dean? Who knows. It's all water under the bridge now anyway.

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Re: Joe Lieberman wouldve been better
by James Denison / November 3, 2004 2:35 AM PST

I thought the same, especially the number one, but didn't mention it. There is still a distrust toward Jews in America, that old bugaboo of perception about divided loyalties. What if Lieberman had managed to be elected President? What could we have expected? I'm almost certain we'd be even more targeted by middle east terrorists than we already are. I think it might even be detrimental to Israel's security if Lieberman wanted to avoid appearing to back Israel too strongly. I worry more than before the war against terror would become perceived as a Judeo Christian war against Islam. There's the rising anti-semitism in Europe. Having a Jewish President might create problems for America there. I like Lieberman, I think he's a honest person, but would bring too much negatively perceived baggage to the office along with his election. I don't think the world would let him be an effective President in foreign policy, and that would make him appear weak, unfairly. Everytime I hear him speak I wonder why he didn't become a judge instead.

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Re: Joe Lieberman wouldve been better
by Josh K / November 3, 2004 3:16 AM PST

There's also a good amount of old fashioned anti-Semitism that probably would have hurt his chances.

A female President will also face obstacles, particularly when it comes time to sit down and talk with Arab leaders. Most of them would likely refuse.

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(NT) (NT) Which is a good reason not to vote for Hillary
by Dragon / November 3, 2004 10:56 AM PST
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(NT) (NT) Lieberman would have been eaten alive.
by Ziks511 / November 4, 2004 11:46 AM PST
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Re: Joe Lieberman wouldve been better -- why
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / November 4, 2004 12:24 PM PST

vote for someone who's no different than a Republican? The point of the campaign was to change ill-advised policies, not endorse them for the sake of having a nominal Democrat in office! Yes, we lost -- but barely. After four more years of Republican "favor the rich" policies, enough of the non-rich will wise up to throw the bums out.

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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The opinions expressed above are my own,
and do not necessarily reflect those of CNET!

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Re: Joe Lieberman wouldve been better -- why
by David Evans / November 4, 2004 12:44 PM PST

LOL! That attitude really worked out well for you this time didn't it? Four years of that got you FOUR MORE YEARS of President Bush, more Republican senators, and more Republican representatives. Keep it coming, lol!

This is ALL working to my benefit and I can't believe it's this easy, lol!

DE

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The (Zell) Miller Hypothesis proven?
by Paul C / November 2, 2004 11:41 PM PST
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Charlie,

In his recent book, the Georgia Democrat senator decries the Democrats' apparent conscious decision to write off the South and Mountain West in favor of the large populations on either coast and the Midwest. As Miller noted, the problem is that the areas written off have the fastest population growth in the country and the areas retained are, by and large, losing population. This is not, IMO, a recipe for victory anytime soon.

Zell Miller posits that the reason for this is that the Democrats seem unwilling to soften their increasingly hard left agenda. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: America is a MUCH more conservative nation than the DNC believes it to be. Unless Democrats realize this fact and act accordingly, then the title of Sen. Miller's book will be so true: A National Party No More.

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No oldtime democrats left like;
by James Denison / November 3, 2004 1:56 AM PST

George Wallace, Henry "Scoop" Jackson, Strom Thurmond, and a host of others more modern that have switched or don't even try to run due to the leftists in the Democratic party. When the Democratic party gets rid of all their socialist, or at least take the party back from them, they will do better. I don't see it happening however.

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Re: To all Democrats!
by Richard Jones Forum moderator / November 3, 2004 2:08 AM PST
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Hi Charlie,

Wesley Clark. As he did not really *want* the job and so was a step ahead (in my book) already, plus my impression of him from interviews and his (brief) campaign. A 'straight shooter' I would say. Anyhoo, that's all aqua under the bridge.

Come to think of it, I'd druther have frickin' Al Sharpton as Pres than most of these clowns, but his chances are virtually nil for many reasons.

I did not contribute to Kerry's campaign, beyond voicing my negative (and some positive, too) opinions about the current administration, when asked for such.

Rick "chocobunny" Jones

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(NT) (NT) Yeparoonies, Wesley Clark!
by crowsfoot / November 3, 2004 3:56 AM PST
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I dont think Clark is a straight shooter
by Dragon / November 3, 2004 4:03 AM PST
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And I think hes mentally a little "off center". Im saying that honestly. He and Kerry have a similar trait, in which both of them have had 'meetings' with certain people when they did not.

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