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To 64-bit or Not to 64-bit that is the quesion.

by Cyborganizer / March 27, 2007 3:46 AM PDT

Now that certain Desktops and Laptops are have Vista 64-bit options, what are the advantages of Vista 64-bit over 32-bit?

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(NT) No one has any comments about Vista 64-bit?
by Cyborganizer / March 27, 2007 9:45 AM PDT
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Less support...
by John.Wilkinson / March 27, 2007 10:10 AM PDT

With the exception of select select mathematical and design applications that benefit from 64-bit registers, such as AutoCAD, there is little performance gain from having a 64-bit foundation. In fact, most of the software you use on a daily basis does not have an optimized 64-bit version and may not for some time due to the limited benefits. Thus, at this time the primary benefit is its support for more than 4GB of RAM, and even at that the average user has not reached that limit.

On the other hand, 64-bit drivers, while becoming more prevalent, are still harder to come by. (Even Microsoft does not have 64-bit drivers for all of their current products!) In addition, some software, in particular antivirus utilities, must be designed for 64-bit computing, increasing the chance that you'll have to replace your current software package.

In short, 64-bit offers some performance gains and removes the immediate restriction of RAM capacity, but at this time it's not the best choice for the average consumer. I would suggest getting a 64-bit processor, but holding off on installing a 64-bit OS, at least for the time being.

John


P.S. Microsoft has a program where you can purchase a 32-bit version of Vista and then order a 64-bit DVD at the cost of S&H, thereby giving you the option without yet another large financial commitment.

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Thanks for the advice.
by Cyborganizer / March 27, 2007 11:51 AM PDT
In reply to: Less support...

I do not want 4GB of ram because that gets expensive. This explains why Dell only offers the 64-bit option in their high powered engineering line laptops.

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Vista 64
by antum3 / January 4, 2008 7:12 PM PST
In reply to: Less support...

Well we have January 2008 and not much has changed.

My Laser Shot LRP3000 Canon printer cannot be used, I cannot download Yahoo Messenger either, all I can run in no-download version, and it is OK, but no history can be kept as far as I can see. So once Messenger closed any info lost forever.

Are there any Security programs that have Vista 64 version?
Like Zone Alarm, Ad-Aware,
Maybe Reg Scrub?

I wander where would be the best place to look for Vista 64 drivers?
I had to give second life to my old Lexmark Z615 printer, as I was able to souce Vista 64 driver from their web site.

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RE vista 64
by nutral / January 4, 2008 10:10 PM PST
In reply to: Vista 64

Most of the programs will run on windows vista 64bit becouse of the emulation (WOW64), the problem is that you can't run 16bit and some software still uses 16bit installs so you cannot use that.

The best place to look is just the manufacturers own site, if you can't find it there you can always search on google.

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Yes...
by John.Wilkinson / January 5, 2008 6:26 AM PST
In reply to: Vista 64

64-bit support is not yet wide-spread, but even a few freeware options are available, as detailed in this forum sticky.

Also, drivers can be found from each individual manufacturer's website, or you can run a general web search for compatible drivers if the ones for your specific model have not been updated. Unfortunately there's no universal download center.

Hope this helps,
John

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Vista 64
by antum3 / January 5, 2008 9:16 AM PST
In reply to: Yes...

Thanks for help, will have a look.

What I noticed, that my notebook will accept only Vista64 drivers.
It has compatibility program that supposedly Vista64 should work as XP or ME, but it doesn't.
I checked with store people, and they said too Vista64 would only run Vista64 drivers and programs.

What surprised me is that I was able download and install Skype and Skye site never said it was Vista64.

On top of that, being just computer user with less than limited knowledge on what to do to make things work, I get the feeling that I should have never picked up this Vista64 run notebook.

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Vista64
by antum3 / January 5, 2008 10:26 AM PST
In reply to: Yes...

[QUOTE]
Top FREE Security Software?
by John.Wilkinson - 12/07/07 11:22
In reply to: READ ME: Vista Tips and Guides... by John.Wilkinson
Firewalls:
* Jetico Personal Firewall 2.0
* PC Tools Firewall (32-bit only)
* Sphinx Vista Firewall
* ZoneAlarm 7.1 (32-bit only)

Antivirus:
* Avast Home Edition
* AVG FREE
* Avira AntiVir Personal (32-bit only)
* PC Tools Free Edition

Miscellaneous:
* AdAware 2007 (BETA)
* AVG Antispyware
* Spyboy S&D
* Trend Micro?s HiJackThis (power tool)[/QUOTE]

Thread is locked, may I ask here if programs that do not have Vista32 only note will work with Vista64.

Suppose can download and see if it works but would like to have more confidence.
Thanks in advance for any help.

I wander if we could even have special forum like Vista64 as it seems to be different kettle of fish.

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Vista x64...
by John.Wilkinson / January 5, 2008 12:31 PM PST
In reply to: Vista64

I'm going to have to disagree with the 'store people' and say they were mistaken when they said only Vista x64-designed software will run under Vista x64. Almost all software that runs under Vista x86 (32-bit), and the vast majority that ran under Windows XP, will run under Vista x64 with the primary exception being drivers and security software.

In short, drivers must be designed specifically for the OS at hand, so XP x86, XP x64, Vista x86, and Vista x64 each must have their own. Security software can also be problematic as the 64-bit version of Vista is more particular about authenticating software and denying access to parts of the OS. Beyond that some older software may fail, but that's a Vista, not a 32-bit/64-bit, issue and is more often than not corrected by using Compatibility Mode.

As to the security software listed, you are correct...any that do not state "32-bit only" will work under both 32-bit and 64-bit versions of Vista.

Hope this helps,
John

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Vista64
by antum3 / January 5, 2008 6:42 PM PST
In reply to: Vista x64...

Thanks for information.

I do not want to ask silly question, but there seems to be a lot of numbers.

"In short, drivers must be designed specifically for the OS at hand, so XP x86, XP x64, Vista x86, and Vista x64 each must have their own"

Vista x86 does mean Vista32 operating system?

You also mentioned "emulator", which I understans allows one operating system to perform tasks designed for "lower order" operating system.

Does computer do it by itself? Or I have specifically open compatibility sub-program and test run it?

Looks that I'll have to do crush learning of few basics to be a little bit more understanding of the works.

I always thought that to use car somebody should know about the guts, I thought the same about computers, but over the years I managed just to buy one and use it with little problems, so got bit lazy with trying to understand operating systems, programs, drivers.

With bit of luck, system 64bit will become standard, or I am dreaming?

Thank you very much for patience and all the help.

Hope you don't run out of patience before I run out of queations and problems.

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Vista x64...
by John.Wilkinson / January 6, 2008 9:01 AM PST
In reply to: Vista64

-> Yup, x86, in this context, refers to 32-bit while x64 refers to 64-bit. (In case you're curious, it's known as x86 because most of Intel's early processor model numbers ended with "86.")

-> I don't believe I mentioned emulators specifically, though I did comment on Compatibility Mode, which in a way emulates a previous OS. Compatibility Mode is a feature of XP/Vista and usage instructions are available at the link.

-> 64-bit processors are already standard, with almost all Intel and AMD processors on the market, except for some older and budget models, including such support. As people need to exceed 4GB of RAM they'll make the transition, but Microsoft has pledged to release a 32-bit version of Vista's successor, currently known as codename Windows 7, at the least for those with older hardware.

Keep 'em comin. Happy
John

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I was thinking a 64bit laptop...thanks for the info..
by Alanaielentari / October 18, 2010 10:12 AM PDT
In reply to: Less support...

There is always a "grey zone"... Sad

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