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Tillman... A True American hero...

by Mary Kay / April 23, 2004 1:28 AM PDT
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I wouldn't call him a hero...
by Edward ODaniel / April 23, 2004 2:53 AM PDT

in any classic sense of the word. I would simply call him a patriot like all the other service members presently serving who felt the call and country's needs outweighed their own personal opportunities for financial gain, comfort, and notoriety.

On second thought, in these days of Demonstrators and anti Administration and blame fixing I guess his simple act of enlisting makes him a hero to be looked up to and emulated by youngsters all over the country. Many older persons and the media whose words encourage the enemy could do well to emulate him too.

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Alright, maybe not a hero,...
by Paul C / April 23, 2004 3:25 AM PDT

...but someone that this old sarge would be proud to render a sharp salute to at his funeral.

Too few people these days seem to grasp what's really important. Pat Tillman did, and decided to choose the Army - as a Ranger, no less! - to manifest that understanding. And he walked away from $3.6 million to do so, which IMO makes his action even more of a compelling example for all of us.

My admiration goes to him and his brother (who enlisted at the same time), and my deepest sympathy goes to his family, who obviously raised themselves two wonderful sons.

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(NT) Well said, Paul!
by Angeline Booher / April 23, 2004 7:57 AM PDT

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Re:I wouldn't call him a hero...
by Josh K / April 23, 2004 3:45 AM PDT
...in these days of Demonstrators and anti Administration and blame fixing....

It's nice to see that you now realize how tawdry your attempts to blame 9/11 on John Kerry were.
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by Dan McC / April 23, 2004 3:49 AM PDT
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Re:Josh
by Josh K / April 23, 2004 3:52 AM PDT

Ironic, isn't it? Ed continues to spit on the lawful exercise of the very freedoms he believes Tillman died to protect.

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by Dan McC / April 23, 2004 3:58 AM PDT
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by Roger NC / April 23, 2004 5:28 AM PDT

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There is a tremendous difference between freedom...
by Edward ODaniel / April 23, 2004 10:25 AM PDT
In reply to: Re:Josh

of speech and demonstrations and sales pitches for books that provide aid and comfort to a common enemy Josh.

What is ironic is that you choose to try to turn this into something political.

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Re:There is a tremendous difference between freedom...
by Josh K / April 24, 2004 10:58 PM PDT
What is ironic is that you choose to try to turn this into something political.

You are just utterly and completely without shame, aren't you. Wow.
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No, but you seem to be Josh...
by Edward ODaniel / April 24, 2004 11:41 PM PDT

There was NOTHING political stated until YOUR post in this thread.

Try READING mine again then yours and you should see it too.

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Re: There is a tremendous difference between freedom...

Hi, Ed.

I'm just back from four wonderful days in Lost Wage$ (great shows, great food, a little gambling, and a visit to the Hoover Dam), so I'm reading this thread fresh. And the person that tried to turn it into somethin political was you.

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Dave, I CHALLENGE you to SHOW ME something political...
by Edward ODaniel / April 26, 2004 2:20 AM PDT

In my most.

Go ahead and do your best because UNLESS deep down inside you aquaint demonstraqtors who provide support to a common enemy with Liberals or Socialists you just can't do it.

I'll say it again, Tillman is NOT a hero any more than just about every other service member, BUT he (and they) certainly are when compared to the demonstrators who aid the enemy and those who deride the Administration's prosecution of the war (inciting divisiveness and again aiding the enemy's cause)--That is not political, it is life.

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(NT) At posters request.
by Roger NC / April 23, 2004 5:27 AM PDT
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Re:I wouldn't call him a hero...
by Mary Kay / April 23, 2004 4:06 AM PDT

I call him a hero. If you choose to call superman and batman heros, thats your perogative. Happy

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I sure would
by Dan McC / April 23, 2004 4:10 AM PDT

Knowing self sacrifice for a higher cause.

Absolutely.

Dan

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(NT) Agree!
by Angeline Booher / April 23, 2004 7:59 AM PDT
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A true patriot indeed, Ed
by Angeline Booher / April 23, 2004 7:55 AM PDT

To introduce political statements sullies this thread.

No where have I seen or heard which political party he favored. I doubt tht was on his mind when he was under fire.

I beleve his patriotism went far beyond that. Patriotism does.

Angeline
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Re:A true patriot indeed, Ed
by John Robie / April 23, 2004 8:29 AM PDT

Yep, and I agree with what Ed is saying, discounting what a few are saying about the political aspect.

From what I see it is JOSH that is making a big political statement.

Motives...I can see that Pat Tillman gave up additional wealth for his desire to serve and believe he did for patriotic feeling. A few weeks ago at a family gathering I was discussing with my nephew's son why he was joining the Marines after high school graduation this spring. I was encouraging him to join the USAF as I spent 20+ years with them. He indicated he was not interested in the USAF unless he was a pilot that could get into physical combat, which required college education. I indicated that his parents were going to pay for all his college and even give him a auto. He said he wanted to get into combat battle and that is exactly what the Marines do more so than even the Army. This kid is hung up on doing combat rather than get college and possible wealth in the future from his education. I will also call him a hero if he comes back in a body bag.

I'm now wondering about all the computer combat games I have available for my grandkids.

John

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I made no political statements Angeline, I made a comparison...
by Edward ODaniel / April 23, 2004 10:21 AM PDT

and there was nothing political about the comparison.

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by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / April 25, 2004 2:14 PM PDT

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Re:I made no political statements Angeline, I made a comparison...

Are you really that blind to the connotation of what you write, Ed?
>>nothing political about the comparison.<<
Every single word of the comparison was saying "demonstrators aren't true patriots." That was the totality of your message, and it's as political (and WRONG) as they come.

And, BTW, I agree strongly with the consensus that this makes him a lot more of a hero than his previous activities.
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Re:Re:I made no political statements Angeline, I made a comparison...

Dave, Demonstrations and Media (and the demonstrators and "reporters" making them up) are NOT patriots when their activies and words aid the enemy cause and divide the country. They are far closer to traitors such as Benedict Arnold.

That is NOT political unless, as I stated before, YOU and others who think it is also (in the back of your mind perhaps) associate such actions with Liberals and Socialists. I certainly never stated such because some few of them are Conservatives and Independants and even Libertarian.

Any "politics" seen therefore are YOUR OWN, and certainly not mine.

You may be offended because you are starting to actually see that your own previous actions in anti-Vietnam "protests" caused the North Vietnam negotiators to stall and argue about table shapes rather than sue for peace as had been their intent. This prolonged things and DIRECTLY CAUSED the unnecessary loss of American and Allied lives as well as providing propaganda with which to torment their prisoners (ask McCain about being shown clippings of fonda and Kerry and AW protests).

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When got home today and turned on tv news
by Roger NC / April 23, 2004 5:47 AM PDT

They were talking to some that played with him, and some that grew up with him.

Besides making a choice to serve and leaving great financial gain behind, he also it seems was very modest and unwilling to talk about it much when he decided to go.

a person who is admired for having done something very brave or having achieved something great:

And another definition was " someone who you admire greatly."

He qualifies I think, by much more than the minimum. Condolences to his close friends and family.

RogerNC

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Re:Tillman... A True American hero...
by Mark G / April 24, 2004 11:56 PM PDT

in my opinion All Our Troops over there are heroes

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