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Thumbs Up For Mich. Mosques...

Jul 21, 2004 2:06PM PDT

(AP) Residents of this once-predominantly Polish city rejected an effort to repeal an amendment to the city's noise ordinance, a victory for those in favor of allowing mosques to issue the call to prayer over loudspeakers.

The vote on Tuesday, which those in favor of allowing the calls acknowledged was merely symbolic, was 1,462 to 1,200, or 55 percent to 45 percent.

The City Council unanimously passed the noise ordinance in April after a mosque asked for permission to begin broadcasting the Arabic chants, traditionally issued five times a day.

The ordinance regulates the volume and timing of the amplified call. Without the law, city officials said there would be nothing to prohibit the broadcasting of the call to prayer itself.

The council's action provoked an outcry among some longtime residents of Hamtramck, a city of 23,000 people that is surrounded by Detroit. In recent years, the city has seen a rapid influx of immigrants from Bangladesh, Yemen and other countries.

The al-Islah mosque began the call to prayer in May. At least one other Hamtramck mosque has also begun the broadcasts via loudspeakers since then.

"Either way, the call is going to continue to happen," City Council president Karen Majewski said before Tuesday's vote.

The vote was nonetheless widely viewed as a choice between allowing the call to prayer or prohibiting it by repealing the amendment.

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(NT) (NT) And so the intimidation against the infidels begins....
Jul 21, 2004 3:04PM PDT
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(NT) (NT) So you don't believe in Freedom of Religion???
Jul 21, 2004 4:00PM PDT
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Sure I do, Give me your address and...
Jul 21, 2004 4:11PM PDT

...I'll see if I can get a couple street preachers to hang around outside your house exercising that freedom of religion. I can only assume you will enjoy all the ruckus. Your neighbors will love you for it too. Who knows, maybe Credence Clearwater Revival will show up too.

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Their True Intent???
Jul 21, 2004 4:31PM PDT
Sure I do, Give me your address and I'll see if I can get a couple street preachers to hang around outside your house exercising that freedom of religion. - James Denison

That's kind of a silly statement coming from you. Since it's late, I guess I shouldn't be surprised...

We have plenty of street preachers here. Most people simply ignore them though, but some choose to heckle them back. I think they do their cause far more harm than good. I can think of a lot better ways to promote a religion than what they choose. Sometimes it seems that their true intent is to actually drive people away from the faith...

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Ditto! Or be an "in your face" attack on you.
Jul 21, 2004 4:34PM PDT

That's what all the caterwauling from mosque towers is, an "in your face" to everyone near them.

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Go ahead, clk this, it's for you Blake.
Jul 21, 2004 4:37PM PDT

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bedtime, bye.

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(NT) (NT) Good Night James... :-)
Jul 21, 2004 4:43PM PDT
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Street Preachers...
Jul 21, 2004 4:50PM PDT
That's what all the caterwauling from mosque towers is, an "in your face" to everyone near them. - James Denison

The thing is, even though they are annoying as hell, no one is telling the street preachers that they don't have a right to keep doing what they are doing, except for a few who enjoy toying with them. If these mosque towers are so annoying that they tend to keep people away from the faith instead of attracting them, I would think that you would be all for it. The more annoying they are, the fewer converts you would have to worry about... Happy


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Leave Blake alone
Jul 22, 2004 12:45PM PDT
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Good tune.
Jul 22, 2004 1:42PM PDT
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That's not nice....
Jul 22, 2004 12:56PM PDT
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Please call first though.....:)
Jul 22, 2004 12:42PM PDT
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Thumbs Up For Mich. Mosques...Allaahu Akbar!
Jul 21, 2004 11:17PM PDT

The ordinance regulates the volume and timing of the amplified call. Without the law, city officials said there would be nothing to prohibit the broadcasting of the call to prayer itself.

The council's action provoked an outcry among some longtime residents of Hamtramck, a city of 23,000 people that is surrounded by Detroit. In recent years, the city has seen a rapid influx of immigrants from Bangladesh, Yemen and other countries.

The al-Islah mosque began the call to prayer in May. At least one other Hamtramck mosque has also begun the broadcasts via loudspeakers since then.

"Either way, the call is going to continue to happen," City Council president Karen Majewski said before Tuesday's vote.
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Thanks for the great news.

Detroit, MI is one of the largest Muslim Community in the USA --- among others such as California, Chicago and New York. Happy

Adhan (pronounced as azan is an Arabic word meaning call to Prayer). Adhan is called 5 times daily. Usually, it is announced from the towers of the minaret of the mosque, (masjid in Arabic.

Adhan is called in order to remind the Muslims that it is time to prepare for prayer which also means it's time to do the ritual wudhu which mean the Ablution such as washing your face, around your ears, rinsing your mouth, washing your elbows, feet, and your private part including your **** ---- all in a specific way. All done for the purpose of being physically clean in the body and giving time to clear the mind from any impure thoughts before joining the congregational prayer in the mosque.

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(NT) (NT) Allaahu Akbar! means God is Great
Jul 21, 2004 11:20PM PDT
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Re: Allaahu Akbar!
Jul 22, 2004 1:05AM PDT

not often that i agree with blake, but isn't this MORE "taunting gibberish"?

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(NT) (NT) its the usual 1 day it is and next day nope
Jul 22, 2004 2:51AM PDT
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Don't use my name in vain...
Jul 22, 2004 2:56AM PDT

You are the one who's taunting here jonah...

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Re: as far as i know blake
Jul 22, 2004 3:06AM PDT

you have a long long way to go before you attain god like status, the moment you do, i promise your name will not be used in vain

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Re: as far as i know blake
Jul 22, 2004 3:14AM PDT

That post, combined with the last paragraph of this one, shocked me.

DE

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Re: Don't use my name in vain...
Jul 22, 2004 3:09AM PDT

LOL I have never heard anyone use that phrase regarding their own name! It is usually used like this:


KJV Exodus 20:7
Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

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Are you sure?
Jul 22, 2004 5:17AM PDT

Everytime I see it being shouted in unison on TV, it seems to mean "kill the infidels". That's what it means to most of us here in the West now.

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(NT) (NT) To most of us? Speak for yourself, please.
Jul 22, 2004 5:23AM PDT
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You can be the minority spokesman, really...
Jul 22, 2004 5:29AM PDT

...I won't mind.

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Just asking around the office.
Jul 22, 2004 5:57AM PDT

No one made the mistake in translation that you did. A couple even knew the right meaning.

Dan

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Re: Thumbs Up For Mich. Mosques...Allaahu Akbar!
Jul 21, 2004 11:30PM PDT

Performing the Wudhu is necessary if you had pass wind or urinated or in contact with any impurities defined in the Islamic Shariah.

However, if you had any sexual contacts with your spouse, then performing the wudhu is INVALID. What would be required of man and woman is called the Ghusl pronounced as gusul which means a complete body wash (shower) and still using the specific ritual procedures in doing the wudhu.

And Ghusl is done before and after when have just engaged in sexual contact. Prayer or not ---- you've got to shower after sex. Happy

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Re: Allaahu Akbar!
Jul 22, 2004 1:05AM PDT

not often that i agree with blake, but isn't this even MORE "taunting gibberish"?

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Don't use my name in vain...
Jul 22, 2004 2:53AM PDT

You are the one who's taunting her jonah...

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Having a hard time understanding
Jul 22, 2004 1:14AM PDT

the purpose of your postings unless it is to deliberately 'test' the moderators regarding removal of posts that aren't in English....

If we wanted to be educated regarding the Muslim religion or Arabic language, we would seek the information ourselves or ask for links.

Cease and desist, please.

TONI

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Re: Having a hard time understanding
Jul 22, 2004 2:51AM PDT

Is this a Christian ONLY Message Board where Christian view is the only viable topic as far as Religion is concerned?
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Are members subjected to swallow and continue to feed on all the POLITICAL garbage as a topic of discussion?
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Nevertheless, I can't do much since you hold the HAMMER of threats. I will comply to cease and desist but making no promises to remain silent.

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The question is whether the religion is based only in Arabic
Jul 22, 2004 3:52AM PDT

If the religion is only based in Arabic, then it should only be pushed in Arab speaking forums. If it is allowed to be based in any language, then use that language to discuss it.