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This is what respect looks like

Dec 5, 2018 2:56AM PST

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Political
Dec 5, 2018 3:32AM PST

Political is an Art.

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There was a lengthy piece on Dana Carvey
Dec 5, 2018 8:42AM PST

and his twenty five year friendship with Bush.

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Out of respect for the office, former holders of it
Dec 5, 2018 11:04AM PST

are always addressed as Mr President.
To be shared by Trump and Obama some day.

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RE:much to teach our newest one.
Dec 5, 2018 1:21PM PST

the "newest one" has much to learn /to display....

He's in his 70's...he better get it in gear.......

Let's see if sitting in the church pew at a funeral for a couple hours changes anything...

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Newest generation...not the newest president since
Dec 5, 2018 3:23PM PST

Dole was never president. You always have to destroy a thread with your liberal crap, don't you? And respect is expected to go both directions, JP....Trump was considered to be a joke by the liberal media and Dems from the moment he came down the escalator and was and continues to be treated in the most disrespectful ways imaginable. Dole was pretty combative during the campaign against Bush 41 but buried that hatchet after his loss and showed true class yesterday. Sitting in the church pew for a couple of hours will change nothing when it comes to the Obamas or the Clintons.....do you think THEY should also learn to have some respect for the current president of our country or do you think they will continue to be the arseholes they have shown themselves to be? Those two sets of former presidents and their wives have been a disgrace to the positions they held and should be learning lessons in humility and grace from their elders and the Bushes 41 and 43.

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Well, I read your post,
Dec 5, 2018 5:58PM PST

and what I learned was, that it appears that you believe, everyone EXCEPT Donald J Trump is part of the newest generation.

THEY have to learn to be more civil and HE doesn't.

Let's you and I agree to something, YOU stop putting LIAR in Hillarys name/referring to her as LIAR, and I'll stop referring to Donald J Trump as TheRUMP.

One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind. You and I can save the next generation. Never mind leaving it up to the politicians.

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(NT) what about Obummer?
Dec 6, 2018 2:49AM PST
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RE: What about Obama?
Dec 6, 2018 3:42AM PST

The Obamas shook his and Melanias hand..

I have to take baby steps when getting any movement in changing opinions.....

Like I said

One small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.

HIS twitter thumb must have been really twitching.....

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Trump isn't a new generation
Dec 6, 2018 3:54AM PST

He's the generation in between.....the newest generation are called the millennials, in case you didn't know.

I agree....I'll call her HILL and I'll wait to see how long you can live up to your end of that agreement.....but I'll raise you one more 'bet'...can you at least admit that she HAS lied about her crimes, including lying to Congress under oath (for which Mueller has been prosecuting members of Trump's team but have let slide prosecuting Comey, Rosenstein, Brennan, McCabe, Lerner, Yates, Clapper, Rice, et al for lying to Congress)? Even her own husband, who was president at the time, was charged and convicted with that crime....and yet anyone associated with BO has been able to skate.

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RE:Trump isn't a new generation
Dec 6, 2018 4:14AM PST

HE is the new generation of politicians.....

GWB made the proper entrance....He came in and (as the last person to enter) HE went to past and present Presidents (and their wives) HE walked over to them, extended HIS hand first and they all shook HIS hand.

When Trump came in, Obama, Clinton and Carter and spouses were already seated. Trump took off his coat passed it off and sat down. HE should have done what Bush did....Walk along the front of the pews and put his hand out to shake the hands of the others.

Put HIS hand out first and IF they don't shake his hand...THEY look Bad,

Shake his hand and HE looks good, being the first one to offer.

There is NO way HE could lose.

HE BLEW IT!

Why didn't HE take his coat off before he got to his seat? No coat room?

PS...I know why he brought his coat...Just watched a video and while he was taking his coat off and passing it to aide...Melania was acknowledging the Clintons and they were acknowledging her......the coat was a distraction...something for him to do other than acknowledge others....

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Trump wasn't there to
Dec 6, 2018 7:15AM PST

show respect to those seated next to him who have trashed him from the start....he was there to show respect for Bush 41 and his family. He did that.....

Did BO show respect for the 4 Americans who came home to Dover by lying to them and then leaving quickly for a golf game with his buddies (showed in video laughing on the golf course as if it was 'just another day at the office')? Why should Trump show any respect for the others who were there? I wouldn't have either.

As for the media....the New York Post said it best yesterday. "Dems love dead Republicans." https://nypost.com/2018/12/04/democrats-really-do-love-republicans-when-theyre-dead/ Every one of them trashed Bush 41, Reagan, McCain, et al until they died....then they became the best the county had to offer as leaders and should be revered as such. They'll do the same to Bush 43.

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RE:.he was there to show respect for Bush 41 and his family
Dec 6, 2018 7:57AM PST

And he accomplished that by?

Not tweeting for 3 hours?

Making sure he didn't pass any infections (by shaking hands) he might have on to others?

Except for the Obama's?

GWB was a man on a mission...the way he walked over to the lot of them and shook their hands.....HE knew where HE was going.

RE: Why should Trump show any respect for the others who were there? I wouldn't have either.

So YOU disagree with GWB also?

DONALD TRUMP MOCKED BOTH JOHN MCCAIN, WHO IS DYING, AND GEORGE H.W. BUSH, WHO JUST LOST HIS WIFE, AT MONTANA RALLY

Trump also bashed a common campaign slogan of Bush’s, a “thousand points of light,” which was a call for volunteerism and symbolized diversity around the country. The current commander-in-chief said he never understood the phrase.

"Thousand points of light," Trump said. "What does that mean? I know one thing: Make America Great Again we understand. Putting America first we understand. Thousand points of light, I never quite got that one. What the hell is that? Has anyone ever figured that one out? It was put out by a Republican wasn't it.”

When DJT croaks do you think he will take the UP escalator OR the DOWN escalator? Devil

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I don't know how many funerals
Dec 6, 2018 9:56AM PST

you've attended but the ones I've gone to always has someone in the immediate family greet and thank people for attending. GWB was doing that....even to the people who mocked HIM almost daily when he served as president. He came from a very classy family. Yes, Trump is 'rude' at times but at least Trump wasn't being a hypocrite towards the other three seated to the left of him. You could say the same thing about Dole and the comments he made about Bush 41 over the years....but he came to show respect for the man....not the policies he didn't agree with. It's obvious every day that the three in the pew have never had any respect for our/THEIR president but expected THEY would be respected out of hand. I could care less if they were slighted by him. When they held a tribute to Aretha Franklin, how much respect did you have for Bill et al for chumming up to Farakhan on that stage? Did you ever even question why so many went after Trump because of the KKK crap, but not a sound over the fact that the HILL got donations from the SAME KKK group that she didn't send back? Hell, no....

I'm am sick of the total hypocrisy of the left, the liberal media, et al over the constant double standard of unethical and illegal behaviors when it comes to their own.

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RE:Yes, Trump is 'rude' at times but
Dec 6, 2018 10:30AM PST

at times?

Every chance he gets?

The only person he gives compliments to is himself., except for when he is complimenting someone he wants to support him or cover for him.

RE: has someone in the immediate family greet and thank people for attending. GWB was doing that


You actually think GWB(a member of the immediate family) was standing at the door and greeted everyone that came to the service?

DJT and GWB took their seats from different directions...they didn't use the same entrance.

DJT came in the BACK door and GWB was greeting people that came in the FRONT door?

Did GWB slip DJT a candy, he gave one to Michelle Obama. If he did, would Trump eat it?

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I seem to recall a few short days ago
Dec 6, 2018 12:46PM PST

that Trump was actually complimenting Pelosi.....so your statement is blatantly false and deserves at least three Pinocchios

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RE:Trump was actually complimenting Pelosi....
Dec 6, 2018 1:26PM PST

And you don't wonder why he would compliment someone he has been trash talking for years?

HE has an ulterior motive?

ulterior motive (plural ulterior motives) An alternative or extrinsic reason for doing something, especially when concealed or when differing from the stated or apparent reason.

“Democrats, please do not distance yourselves from Nancy Pelosi,” Trump tweeted Friday evening. “She is a wonderful person whose ideas & policies may be bad, but who should definitely be given a 4th chance. She is trying very hard & has every right to take down the Democrat Party if she has veered too far left!”

So old/all knowing yet so naive, tsk, tsk, tsk.


I'll try again for the third time(at least), to see if you answer these questions,

Do you think the Tea Party will ever move out of the house and stand on their own two feet? What will it take? Run their own candidates?

Perhaps they should change their name to The Coattail Party?

TCP that has a nice ring to it...Take it and run with it TONI...

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Such a shame when
Dec 6, 2018 12:28PM PST

the person who was looking for a kinder and gentler nation ends his life in one that has resorted to meanness instead. In this past presidential election, we did have several candidates whose dispositions were reasonable but, when the weeding out was done, we were left with two who spewed sulphur and insulted any group known not to support their candidacy. We did this ourselves so what reason do we have to complain? GHWB said not to blame others for your own setbacks. We, the people, are responsible for the huge setback in the objective GHWB had in mind. Yes, our media and educational system has been unfriendly to that objective but we allowed it to happen. Shame on us.

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(NT) Agreed.......
Dec 6, 2018 12:47PM PST
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A salute equates to respect?
Dec 6, 2018 12:49PM PST
SALUTE FAIL? DONALD TRUMP IS ROASTED FOR UNUSUAL GESTURE DURING GEORGE H.W. BUSH TRIBUTE

Footage shows the president and the first lady approaching Bush’s flag-draped casket. The Trumps stand solemnly for a moment, before Trump raises his hand to his face in a salute and Melania places her hand on her chest.

However, the president’s apparent show of respect was lambasted online as inappropriate and incorrect.

The rules for saluting are complex, but the right to salute is widely considered to be earned by military personnel. As Trump has not served in the military, some saw it as improper for the president to salute Bush
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CIC
Dec 6, 2018 1:02PM PST

Commander in Chief. Know what that means? A salute was proper.

As for a salute not equating to respect, if instead Trump or Dole had given the middle finger at the coffin, would that equate to anything with you?

Why not attack 93 year old Dole for improperly giving the salute with his left hand instead of his right? Do you know why?

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RE:As for a salute not equating to respect,
Dec 6, 2018 1:47PM PST
People out of uniform are not permitted to salute. Period.

NO uniform?....NO salute? CIC wears a uniform?

One of the rules was: Do not salute officers when out of uniform.

If the flag goes up or down while you’re outside to hear the anthem, stop and place your hand over your heart. Like a civilian. But do not salute.
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Not true in Air Force
Dec 6, 2018 2:02PM PST
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Agree James.
Dec 6, 2018 2:12PM PST

In the army if you weren't wearing your beret you were "improperly dressed" and did not salute.
Dafydd.

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You're correct
Dec 6, 2018 2:44PM PST

They are permitted....but not required

Servicemembers and veterans not in uniform may render a salute during the hoisting, lowering or passing of the flag

Exception: Servicemembers and veterans not in uniform may render a salute during the hoisting, lowering or passing of the flag; this was changed by the 2008 Defense Authorization Act; Congress realized they omitted the National Anthem and have added an amendment to the Department of Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal year 2009 (S. 3002, section 1081) to amend title 36, USC, to allow veterans and servicemembers not in uniform to salute during the National Anthem if they so desire.


Sounds more like someone in civilian clothes is saluting the flag rather than saluting a coffin/ an individual.

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Reagan's Rule
Dec 6, 2018 2:06PM PST
https://www.jacksonville.com/reason/fact-check/2016-04-15/story/fact-check-obama-reagan-and-should-presidents-return-salutes

"I got this job and I would be approaching Air Force One or Marine One and those Marines would come to a salute and I - knowing that I am in civilian clothes - I would nod and say hello and think they could drop their hand, and they wouldn’t. They just stood there. So, one night over at the Marine Commandant’s quarters in Washington, and I was getting a couple of highballs, and I didn’t know what to do with them. So, I said to the Commandant, I said, ‘Look, I know all the rules about saluting in civilian clothes and all, but if I am the Commander in Chief, there ought to be a regulation that would permit me to return a salute.’ And I heard some words of wisdom. He said, ‘I think if you did, no one would say anything.’

“So, if you see me on television and I’m saluting, you know that I’ve got authority for it now - and I do it happily.”"
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Are you saying that Dole
Dec 6, 2018 2:58PM PST

should not have been permitted to salute because he was out of uniform? You're disgusting, but predictable.

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We've had a number of Presidents
Dec 6, 2018 2:56PM PST

who never served who saluted military personnel often....and none were wearing uniforms and nobody ever once complained. What the hell is wrong with you? But, leave it to you, to take a heart-wrenching moment and try to turn it into crap.

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RE: leave it to you, to take a heart-wrenching moment
Dec 6, 2018 6:45PM PST

YES...It was a touching moment AND

you felt it was necessary to add

yet the greatest generation that has lived still has much to teach our newest one.

WHY?

You couldn't just remark on Dole and leave out the commentary....

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I put in the commentary for obvious reasons
Dec 7, 2018 3:18AM PST

Look at the newest generation and how disrespectful they are to EVERYONE if they aren't getting what they want and when they want it. I cannot imagine the greatest generation burning down their city or destroying property or disrupting businesses or chanting 'pigs in a blanket', can you?

Dr. Spock and his successors regarding parenting has destroyed almost two generations....confused the first who were raised by the greatest one, and that crap rolled downhill to the millenniums we see today, and who knows what THEIR kids will be like?

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RE:for obvious reasons
Dec 7, 2018 3:50AM PST

YES...you did, didn't you....

Not only did you want to point out how respectful Dole was...you wanted to point out how DISrespectful others are.