already on the record as despising John Kerry are what? Accidents, normal margin of error (except all in one place), fiction? "But if all the mistakes and omissions occur in such a way as to be consistent, to support or attack only one position ..."
You may live in Wonderland, KP, and you certainly are able to believe 6 impossible things before breakfast, but that doesn't make you an authority on politics, religion, science, or anything else that occurs in the "real" world. Say hello to Alice and the Mad Hatter for me (or are you the Mad Hatter).
Rob Boyter
 | Thank you for being a valued part of the CNET community. As of December 1, 2020, the forums are in read-only format. In early 2021, CNET Forums will no longer be available. We are grateful for the participation and advice you have provided to one another over the years. Thanks, CNET Support |
General discussion
This is interesting and evenhanded.
However, there is one soothing explanation that I don?t trust anymore. It was often said, in reply to charges of vote tampering, that it would have had to be ?a conspiracy so immense? as to involve a dangerously large number of people. Indeed, some Ohio Democrats themselves laughed off some of the charges, saying that they too would have had to have been part of the plan. The stakes here are very high: one defector or turncoat with hard evidence could send the principals to jail forever and permanently discredit the party that had engaged in fraud.
Dan
Discussion is locked
31 - 60 of 40 Posts
- Collapse
- Collapse -
- Collapse -
as you chase the latest conspiracy theory?
- Collapse -
box. YOu seem to have taken your prize seriously though.
- Collapse -
is itself a supposition. Hitchens calls it "hypothetical" and admits he doesn't have the expertise to make such a determination. He doesn't claim that indeed all the anomalies converge in one direction he merely says "if" they did.
There is not really a strong case being made here. And you know what, Bush is President and no power on Earth or Heaven, certainly not in Ohio is going to change that.
As to the matter of Vanity Fair as a source; believe me, if the article totally exonerated the GOP or proved the election was square they would not have run the piece at all. The editors' bias rules. That is how most magazines operate in the modern world. Very few can or will take an objective stance, which is why you need to look at a variety of sources.
- Collapse -
ANOTHER STOLEN ELECTION:
DEPOSITION TO OHIO SUPREME COURT
JOHN KERRY CONCEDED TOO SOON
STEALING VOTES IN CLEVELAND
STEALING VOTES IN COLUMBUS
FAVORITISM IN THE SUBURBS
VOTER TURNOUT IN WARREN COUNTY
ELECTION RESULTS IN SOUTHWESTERN OHIO
UNCOUNTED VOTES IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY
UNCOUNTED VOTES IN HAMILTON COUNTY
HACKING THE VOTE IN MIAMI COUNTY
RIGGING THE VOTE IN LUCAS COUNTY
STUFFING THE BALLOT BOX IN TRUMBULL COUNTY
UNCOUNTED VOTES IN STARK COUNTY
UNCOUNTED VOTES IN CUYAHOGA COUNTY
UNCOUNTED VOTES IN SUMMIT COUNTY
ANOMALOUS PRECINCTS IN DELAWARE CITY
PROVISIONAL BALLOTS IN CUYAHOGA COUNTY
CERTIFIABLE ELECTION RESULTS
GETTING OUT THE VOTE IN LORAIN COUNTY
DEFAULT SETTINGS IN MAHONING COUNTY
ANOTHER THIRD RATE BURGLARY
UNCOUNTED VOTES IN TRUMBULL COUNTY
ONE MORE LOOK AT SOUTHWESTERN OHIO
ESTIMATED VOTE COUNT IN OHIO
You can research to your hearts content or til the cows come home. Your choice.
Rob Boyter
- Collapse -
Sounds like the product of an overactive imagination. Some folks will grasp at any straw before they will concede defeat. Bush won. Get OVER IT!
- Collapse -
You might not make such an utter fool of yourself regurgitating the same old crap so frequently.
- Collapse -
pollers would be and directed their people to go to those locations and take part in the exit poll. This caused early scepticism about the reliability of the exit pools. It was apparently a dirty trick to influence people who had not yet voted. I think this was allegedly happening in Michigan.
- Collapse -
Robert C. Koehler / Common Wonders
"The media are not on our side. The politicians are not on our side. It?s just us, connecting the dots, fitting the fragments together, crunching the numbers, wanting to know why there were so many irregularities in the last election and why these glitches and dirty tricks and wacko numbers had not just an anti-Kerry but a racist tinge. This is not about partisan politics. It?s more like: ?Oh no, this can?t be true.?
"I just got back from what was officially called the National Election Reform Conference, in Nashville, Tenn., an extraordinary pulling together of disparate voting-rights activists ? 30 states were represented, 15 red and 15 blue ? sponsored by a Nashville group called Gathering To Save Our Democracy. It had the feel of 1775: citizen patriots taking matters into their own hands to reclaim the republic. This was the level of its urgency.
"Let?s simply ask why the lines were so long and the voting machines so few in Columbus and Cleveland and inner-city and college precincts across the country, especially in the swing states, causing an estimated one-third of the voters in these precincts to drop out of line without casting a ballot; why so many otherwise Democratic ballots, thousands and thousands in Ohio alone, but by no means only in Ohio, recorded no vote for president (as though people with no opinion on the presidential race waited in line for three or six or eight hours out of a fervor to have their say in the race for county commissioner); and why virtually every voter complaint about electronic voting machine malfunction indicated an unauthorized vote switch from Kerry to Bush."
http://www.commonwonders.com/
Rob Boyter
Christopher Hitchens is still the most persuasive though.
- Collapse -
Going back to Hitchens' article, what do you think about college students voting where they go to school (but many don't reside) because they are attending school in "a swing state"? IMO, unless you are living in, say Ohio, for a period long enough to qualify you as a Resident taxpayer in that state, you should not be voting in that state. It is simple enough for students that can't get to the ballot box in their home states to vote by absentee ballot.
CNET Forums
Operating Systems
Software
Electronics & Gadgets
Hardware
Tablets & Mobile Devices
General Help
Roadshow Autos
Chowhound
Comic Vine
GameFAQs
GameSpot
Giant Bomb
TechRepublic