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This guy is dead on !!!

by duckman / December 15, 2005 11:36 AM PST
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As a sociologist
by Dan McC / December 15, 2005 11:57 AM PST

he's a good actor.

Dan

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(NT) (NT) hes just a good man
by Mark5019 / December 15, 2005 9:13 PM PST
In reply to: As a sociologist
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(NT) (NT) He makes some good points
by EdH / December 15, 2005 12:05 PM PST
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Not really -- how many here know, frinstance,
by Dave Konkel [Moderator] / December 15, 2005 1:14 PM PST

that iron was first smelted in Africa? My high school history text never mentioned Crispus Attucks -- most now do. Black history month helped that!

-- Dave K, Speakeasy Moderator
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Read this
by duckman / December 15, 2005 3:42 PM PST
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I don't see why either of these things...
by EdH / December 15, 2005 8:24 PM PST

can't be taught as regular History. I think artificially segregating history along racial lines can only be harmful. If it's History, it's History, period.

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Right on.
by duckman / December 15, 2005 8:33 PM PST

Also, who was first to die in the Civil War, or WWI or WWII or Korea etc? We've only been hung up on "firsts" in the last 20 years.

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Didn't you see
by Dan McC / December 16, 2005 12:29 AM PST
In reply to: Right on.

"The Americanization of Emily"?

People have been hung up on "firsts" for a long time.

Dan

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I don't see why, either.
by Dan McC / December 16, 2005 12:27 AM PST

But until the introduction of BHM they were not taught at all to most students.

Dan

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Not so sure...
by EdH / December 16, 2005 1:47 AM PST

I remember learning about Crispus Attucks and many other Black Americans when I was in High School There are many schools named after him, some going back long before "Black History Month" existed I believe.

As for the iron smelting thing, I think there is some dispute about that.

At any rate the contributions of Africans should be covered in regular History same as the contributions of other races/ethnic groups. I thknk to break it out to a seperate history is distorting and probably leads to further racial disharmony.

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I learned about many blacks in history ...
by Evie / December 16, 2005 6:26 AM PST

... before BHM. There's no reason to perpetuate something that serves to segregate on racial lines.

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ok dave
by Mark5019 / December 15, 2005 9:14 PM PST

is there a white history month, a american indian month?
hes right on

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Perhaps the question should be
by Roger NC / December 16, 2005 1:33 AM PST

has Black History month, along with general changes, caused changes enough in general history teaching so that it isn't relevant now as it was in it's beginning?

Many good things outlive their prime benefit, and sometimes become part of the problem they began by being part of the solution.


Roger

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(NT) (NT) Nail on head!
by Evie / December 16, 2005 6:28 AM PST
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Wrong again! Almost perfect record DK...
by Edward ODaniel / December 16, 2005 2:25 AM PST

as the first iron smelters so far located were around 2000 BC, belonging to the Hittites living in the east of the present Turkey (not exactly Africa nor were they blacks). 1200 BC is the ending period of the Hittites peoples and most likely their blacksmiths spread into the neighboring countries and shared their knowledge (BECAUSE from 1500 to 1000 BC the first iron tools and weapons production centers become very active in Greece, Cyprus, Crete and Macedonia).

Then the Greeks improved things by coming up with quenching the iron to temper it and provide a better and longer lasting edge.

In the earlier Neolithic period around 2800, 2700 BC the first uses of meteoric iron (easily differentiated from smelted iron ore) appeared in a very few locations as tool marks on stone in Egypt.

Most of the iron tools found in Egypt can actually be traced to trade with neighbors to the North and East of Egypt although the first meteor ore tools showed up about the time of Tutankhamun and apparently were so rare and valuable that they were set in gold.

Far as your high school history book not mentioning Crispus Attucks I believe that is either a figment of your imagination or reliance on faulty memory. He was mentioned in mine (well before yours) as well as York, Sacajawea and others of various races and sex who had any import on American History.

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(NT) (NT) Perfect record of what?
by Dan McC / December 16, 2005 3:29 AM PST
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I can't help but remember...
by J. Vega / December 16, 2005 6:44 AM PST

I can't help but remember when at the start of the current Iraq situation artifacts at museums were missing and Dave related his interest because of his college minor in anthropology. I find it unusual that someone who had studied that field to such a degree forgot about the Hittites and iron.

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(NT) (NT) He's a nucleo-bio guy, not history or law
by duckman / December 16, 2005 7:35 AM PST
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(NT) (NT) How many here use the term Uncle Tom?
by Evie / December 16, 2005 6:25 AM PST
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(NT) (NT) well his names tom:)
by Mark5019 / December 16, 2005 6:30 AM PST
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