Things running in the back ground

''Take a look at the Accounts page, login items''

i went to my own accounts page in system preferences, was that what you meant? There were none to change, it was all greyed out and only a few items to consider:

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was this where you actually meant for me to look?
Glass Hoppah

your pictures did not show.

If you click on your name on the accounts side of the Account pref pane, you should see an option for "login items" these are things that run when you log in and are separate from any system processes that may be running in the background.

for instance, you can make Mail launch when you log in, ditto your web browser. In fact, you can make any application run when you log in, if that is what your fancy is.

P

THANKS SO MUCH

that clears THAT question up for me. Also, I did go into the user LIB and looked around a bit and couldn't find any folder with that "startup item" name that i MIGHT be able to dump as in:

"You can also check in the User/Library/statup items and remove stuff. OS X does NOT put anything into this folder"

What i saw there was:
Application Support
ColorPickers
Internet Plug-Ins
iMovie
Logs
Documentation
FontCollections
Printers
Favorites
Screen Savers
Keychains
Cookies
Preferences
Safari
Colors
Fonts
Keyboard Layouts
Audio
iTunes
Indexes
Mozilla
Sounds
Assistants
Caches

So i s'pose i was looking (again) in the wrong place.

(1) i went into SYStem preferences (sysprefs)
(2) clicked there on accounts
((3) saw there three accounts,
(4) clicked on my name (as per your instruction)
(5) and then found absolutely nothing on the subject of startup.

So here once again i am stymied.

(6) There were a couple of login options i could edit, password stuff, icon choice. i am thinking it is the old toy vs the new toy thing again. or am i STILL looking in the wrong place ?
Glass Hoppah

Howdy Russ,
In System Prefs/Accounts/ There are 4 options across the top.

Password - Picture - Login Items - Parental Controls.

Peter is telling you to look at the third one. Anything added to that list will open when you login. It is empty by default, but many bits of software find their way in over time.
"Startup items" is the OS9 phrase for the same idea.

There is also "Login Options" under the list of account names, but that's an iMac of a different color.


Lampie

look at this. it is what i am getting to look at. Only two options.
Please stop this! it is torture!


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Glass Hoppah

What you said (then) was true for you. But because i was still limping along running OS X 10.2.8, not true for me (THEN) But now, thanks to my recent installation of the wondrous and mystical OS X 10.3.9 it is now true for me as well. And it makes perfect sense. And many thanks

Glass Hoppah

trying once again

http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6189/accountspage5ua.png

when you get Panther.
I note that the Administrator (you) had not clicked on the padlock and was probably not allowed to go anywhere.
So, advice to you right now. Stay OUT of the Library. Everything in there is needed. Do NOT do any housekeeping in there.
Click the padlock, edit the user, explore the options.

I am pretty sure you are just spinning your wheels on this one, you have nothing that is eating up anything.

P

i too will be glad. if only because you might go back to being nice to me. yes i DID click on the lock it opened up the same 2 (not 4) choices.

There are more than just two options, they are just in a different place in your version of OS X.

That is why your accounts page looks different from the one that is in the thread

P

Back in olden times, when i was once earlier contemplating the switch to OS X 10.3, i learned that one of the reasons some were having so much trouble getting the upgrade to work was that without the free firmware update it: WOULD NOT, COULD NOT occur. Oddly, (to me) IT (the firmware) could ONLY be installed through "classic". Nice catch 22 touch!

i decided then and there to install that firmware. Just in case. And so i did. (One sensible argument in favor of keeping useless things like "classic" around. Should i stop being able to post on this or any other forum, it will be because sometimes you slay the dragon and sometimes it slays you. Meanwhile i will stop pestering you until at least the 26th.

Thanks for your advice,

Now that is one L O N G installation!

BTW, the Firmware update could only be done when the machine was booted into OS 9, not Classic, and was part of the OS Software Update files that all good iMac owners carried out on a weekly basis. Just like they run their Software updates in OS X.
I note you already have OS X (something) running so the firmware update was done without the machine being in OS X.

See you on the 26th

P

* Yes that is correct. When i finally got my nerve up & installed OS 10.2 Jag, (after leaving it sit un-opened and neglected on a bookcase 2+ years) i clicked format and install that day because my OS 9.2.2 was minus a few important details which i had deleted by mistake over the years. And i thought i wanted to start with a clean slate.

* Later when i called apple tech support for advice, the guy told me to just go ahead on and install OS 9.2.2, too, on top of OS X 10.2x and that everything would turn out fine. My iMac was that graphite model that came originally with both OS X (remember the one with all the problems? 10.0) and OS 9x in it native as-sold. But did not have 10.0 turned on (luckily).

* Based on what you are telling me now, does this mean that i haven't been actually running ''classic'', but alternatively booting 10.2 and 9.2 instead ?

* By the way i deleted iTunes because i thought 10.3 wanted a lot of contiguous hard drive storage space for its magical weapons to reside in, not to achieve more ram.

* Meanwhile i am going to the neighborhood Radio Shack and try to find some of those imation CD-Rs.
Glass Hoppah

* and you know very well the 26th is the day i find out if i am high bidder and pay the bill. The L O N G installation comes later.

* Most of my contacts are betting on the Dragon.

if you have been booting directly into OS 9 or if you have been running Classic through OS X.
When booting directly, the machine is running OS 9.x but when you are running OS X and then launch OS 9, without rebooting, you are running Classic. Classic is a version of OS 9 with limited functionality. This is why some programs do not run in Classic but do run in OS 9.x
The advice from Apple was sound. Installing OS 9 on the same drive as OS X is the accepted way of doing things.

Remind me, how much free space do you have available on the HD?

P

File>get info> says: H D Capacity = 55.89GB and Available = 23.33GB at this point in time.

Actually, before i deleted all my iTunes, available storage space was at 13. GB and change. As to Ram, i am still a little confused and confounded. As i tried to explain before with the extra chip it is 256 + 512 = 768 (this with doubler not engaged, per someone's recommendation)

Hey Peter ! i just thought of something . . . .

if i have a file folder sitting on my ''desktop'' un-opened, but it contains a few mp3s not running at all, this is just an address in HD storage for ram to go to, to get something from when i click on it, right ? So if i do have that much right, then the only thing that affects available RAM is: not much at all, since it can go steal/borrow more from HD any time it needs to ?

BTW, IF I am the only one can say what it is i am doing when i am doing it, then i am forever doomed to blissful but eternal ignorance ! An infinity of monkeys typing out the LORDS prayer given an infinity of time by random chance comes to mind here.

The only way ''9.2'' or ''classic'' (which-EVER it is) comes on at all, is when i fire up a file from photo deluxe or the like from the past and it comes on automatically, claiming on-screen to be 9.2 in it's one little window but also at the same time representing itself to be ''classic" in another while it asks for my informed consent.

i recently managed to get Epson to cough up a new driver that got me a newer OS X (but is only available to 10.2 users). It is a version that produces a much less impressive film factory but doesn't open up ''classic'' . Still, it is functional marginally as long as i don't mind red eye correction not correcting but instead making all worse and then deleting the original when all i wanted to do was to delete a copy that i had believed i was editing like the older version would have done.

i HAVE managed to change over a few individual Photo Deluxe files to open into OS X preview by using File>get info> open with: and sometimes it just lets me do that. Other times, the window refuses to budge and instead insists on trying to force me into a choice from a ''classic'' PPS98 player instead of displaying any of the other apps. or even the apps page.

This is all part of the necromancy and mystery of only being able to half-guess at a few sparse clues left as a joke by other magicians. Could it be that these few are meant to intimidate, rather than inform ?

Only you can say.

But this IS a well known method, and favored by many wizards to maintain their absolute power and control over lowly neophytes, so as to keep them in their proper place well outside the Great Hall of Many Glorius Mysterys.

On the other hand it could just be my new medication and i am halucinating and paranoid once again. Got to watch out for that.
Glass Hoppah

Items in order:
You have 768MB of RAM, this is the systems memory. Think of it as a kitchen table.
You have 56(ish)GB of Hard Drive space, this is Storage space. Think of it as a huge closet.
Generally, the amount of stuff in the closet does not have any effect on the stuff on the kitchen table.
Now, when you launch a few programs, all their stuff is taken from the closet and put on the kitchen table. There is a limit to how much you can put on the table before you (the system) has to put some stuff back in to make room for other stuff, this is called Paging and involves a special part of your drive. The system knows where everything is in the closet, it uses a number of directories to keep track of things. So, the folder on the desktop is a visual representation of something in the closet. Unopened and untouched, it has no effect on anything.

OS 9.2 and Classic.
As previously mentioned, if you start the machine up into OS 9.x, that is what is controlling everything about the computer.
If you start 9.2 by launching an application that does not run in OS X, then the resulting OS is known as Classic. The majority of the system work is still being done by OS X but some functionality is done by the stripped down OS 9.x, hereinafter known as Classic.

Photo Deluxe.
Depending on what file extension Photo Deluxe uses, it should be relatively simple to get the pictures to open with another program. Find one of the pictures that you have been able to open in Preview. Get Info and select the "open all files of this type with this application" That should do it. In the Get Info box, under Open With, there is always an option for Other... Selecting that will allow you to browse for the program of choice. If not, export the files from Photo Deluxe, as JPG, and import them into iPhoto.

The apprentice must learn to identify and catch all the gems of information that are being thrown in his direction. Diverging from the appointed path will only lead the apprentice into cloudier realms. All of the information imparted is intended to inform and the true wizard does not leave sparse clues, only whole truths to be digested and acted, accurately, on.

P

Russ, Please switch medications. :

Kevin, The 60s and early 70s were VERY good to me. Even now i can re-experience their effects on occasion. Did you not attend Woodstock ? Was it not a time of bliss ?

Haight Ashbery Exile

Your main operating system is OS 10.3 and it has the capability of doing everything, and more, than OS 9 could do. That includes burning CD's. If you have a CD burner that is supported then you can burn directly from the Desktop using the Finder. If you CD Burner is not supported, you can always use something like Toast. Surely you don't think that the only way to burn a CD is to use something from OS 9?
The, no longer produced, iMac G5 does not come with OS 9 (Classic) installed as it is NOT essential to your computing experience. The new Intel driven machines cannot even run OS 9 (Classic)
Classic was originally there to support those people who were running OS X but who had not yet changed all their software over to OS X native. After 6 years of OS X, it is probably time for you to cut bait or fish with regard to your software.
Make a list of the software you have that requires Classic and we'll find a replacement.

P

C D Burning, as you are well aware, is fraught with peril at every turn. And LEST i forget, your wise counsel to discard the memorex weapon and opt for the more reliable blank CD has saved the day. My burner is busily humming away, creating new backup CDs even now, to install into the newly acquired OS 10.3 (once that proposed and longed for acquisition actually occurs).

My personal choice for blank CD has been, as stated elsewhere, the verbatim. All memorex products now shall serve as a source for derision and an object lesson. May their manufacturer be scorned and relegated to the lower depths of obscurity. One can use the memorex CDs as disposable coasters under perspiring cocktails, nothing more.

You have relieved my worried mind on the subject of the ''classic''. Not everything it did was circumspect. i DO miss the charming little cd player skin of olde however.

Still, even though too old and too frail to compete, i shall continue to tread water. You have given MUCH to ponder and meditate upon. Adding a 2nd ram chip and a firewire hard drive would, i can see, allow me to stay afloat until rescue becomes possible.

Glass Hoppah

Russ, continue to tread water and you will drown.
Do not go the G5 route. Go for a Mac Mini Dual Processor. Cost is $699
I think. This little ****** burns both CDs and DVDs.
Put in a blank CD disk, drop your files on to the icon. Drag the icon to the trash.
You will get a prompt: Do you want to burn this CD? Click Yes and you are home free. The next step is verifying. After that eject your CD or DVD.
Will be saved as universal ISO1090.
How simple can it be to burn a CD or DVD? You will not even need Roxio Toast. That will save you $$ also.
The Dual Core Mac Mini is very fast
My mac Mini supports Classic. Not sure with the dual Mac Mini and Classic support.
Ask Peter.

Want a giant rubber duckie to hang on to? They leak.
Glub?glub?glub?

-Kevin

Thank you once again for the timely insight. It does indeed look like my next major purchase. (right after i win the lotto)

Glass hoppah

Master,

i have been doing a little reading up on what the ''classic'' had been accomplishing for me (that i had been blissfully ignorant of heretofore). The most significant item was the epson 890 stylus photo printer. This was a resource hog to some extent.

Based on what i have been finding to read about, the (renamed) gimp print drivers are to be included and are coming with my soon-to-arrive 10.3 dragon and demon slayer. Or if not exactly that, it will be in one of the ensuing updates to the aspired-to level of 10.3.9.

As to what other ''classic'' apps, a few kiddie software items were also using ''classic'' to occupy and entertain a favorite great grandson. The most important of these was Kidpix, but also the native bug game. There was as well a dinosaur and a caveman racing game may it please you to take notice. i will need your most excellent recommendation for replacement to these if you will.

B T W, i have received an email from the seller today that my high bid of $45 has satisfied his requirements and he has mailed the item. The 26th is still a likely target for the arduous changeover.

Were it not for you i would not be taking on this most fearsome task, and i tremble.

Master, do we not have some fallback plan ? If by uncertain fortune the installation fails to please the sometimes fickle faeries of this current iMac fate, cyber-realm, mystical portents aside, what remedy must i then attempt to apply ?

As i will be out of communication for the foreseeable future should this sad fate become my lot, i must plead now for your wisdom in advance. The various laws and bylaws and corolaries of the one known only as ''Murphy'' will no doubt enjoy having their way as they so often do.

Glass Hoppah

Bear with this ancient ones STL and remind me again as to exactly what $45 buys in this day and time.
Obviously this is not a good meal that your are purchasing, although I feel that there is a certain amount of Lip Licking going one. Perhaps not because of the stimulation of the saliva glands but more in apprehension of the forthcoming task.

If, per chance, this is the long awaited update to 10.3, then fear not, all will be delivered with little or no problem.
Harken to the words of the wizened one, do NOT format and install, lest ye suffer the fate of excommunication.

Follow the light, and the recommendations, and you will wonder why such upgrades have always struck fear into thy very bones.

P

Has it ever occurred that you both are taking up space on the Mac Forum with this banter? It is old and out-dated.
Can we get back to the Mac Forum.

Note: If you're asking for technical help, please be sure to include all your system info, including operating system, model number, and any other specifics related to the problem.

-Kevin

to read through the forum, you would see that there is a plethora of technical advice and information contained therein.

As for taking up space on the Mac Forum, I hardly think so. This thread is just one column amongst many and takes up no more room than any other post and does not prevent anyone from posting any new threads or, as you have found out, from posting to an existing thread.

I recall a USB 2 thread that makes this one look positively short!

P