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They used an old man's

Jul 25, 2019 4:45AM PDT

hero reputation in the most obscene way to try and put credibility to a 400 page ***** show that was obviously only written by attorneys who visibly hated Trump. Mueller's one statement that was drowned out and ignored by the media tells you all you need to know....when asked to name one case that a prosecutor ever wrote a report saying that the person investigated was not exonerated, he replied he couldn't (was interrupted by the asker at that point who stated 'because no case exists') Mueller followed it up with 'this was a unique case'.  There ARE no unique cases when you are forcing the defendant to prove his own innocence when, in our country, everyone is presumed innocent until you can prove they are actually guilty.

Shame on these Banana Republic Democrats for using this man who is being excoriated in the media today after a stellar legal reputation that is now in ruins....but then, again, Dems and liberals don't care who they destroy in order to further their own agendas and that's been proven time and again.  That's the last bit of sympathy I will have for Mueller because to be honest, he KNEW Weisman and allowed him to pick the team knowing his cutthroat reputation and the fact that his spots wouldn't change because if he can destroy the lives of people he didn't even care about previously, he wouldn't hesitate to do it to people he totally hated....and Mueller allowed that team to actually write/create the report he submitted and never bothered to read.  He took the easy way rather than live up to his own reputation and he's paying the price for it today while his 'team' walks away scott free.  The report, according to Mueller yesterday, was deliberately finished up to time it with the presidential debates season before the 2020 election....this was done by NOT issuing a subpoena for Trump to physically testify and accepting the written answers instead because Mueller said it would have taken over a year to get that testimony since he knew Trump would fight it through the courts.  Manipulating a trash report on a sitting president running for re-election ISN'T considered to be 'interfering with an election', I guess.

There are only two individuals who won in this fiasco....Trump and Pelosi (who has been trying to warn her radicals that their impeachment obsession was going to give the Republicans the House back and get Trump re-elected).

Now it's on to the second part of real justice for our country.....the IG report and the investigation by Durham and Barr.

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(NT) I'm thinking he would be more concerned with extradition.
Jul 27, 2019 11:28AM PDT
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(NT) They are already unhappy with the likeliest replacement.
Jul 28, 2019 1:32PM PDT
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No....because when he does leave
Jul 25, 2019 2:43PM PDT

office in 5-1/2 years, the statute of limitations will have run out on any fabricated crap they try to pull out of their rabbit hat..

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RE: when he does leave office in 5 1/2 years
Jul 25, 2019 6:45PM PDT

You are making 2 assumptions....

1. That he gets re-elected.

2. He doesn't commit any more high crimes and misdemeanors.

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(NT) "any more"??...name ONE that has been proven
Jul 26, 2019 3:36AM PDT
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RE:"any more" ......name ONE that has been proven
Jul 26, 2019 4:07AM PDT

IF you can have him re-elected for another term...I can have him convicted of a high crime and misdemeanors.

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Actually, YOU can't do ANYTHING
Jul 27, 2019 5:03AM PDT

YOU have no power here, JP......doesn't that just make you crazy knowing that?

And I knew you couldn't name even one......so much for your 'debate' strategy.

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RE:YOU have no power here, JP
Jul 27, 2019 6:47AM PDT

The Russians have more power than you do...does THAT make YOU crazy?

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the only power the Russians have...
Jul 27, 2019 7:40AM PDT

....in our elections is what the Democrats have been providing them, starting with Hillary's open market computer and mail files.

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RE:The only power the Russians have
Jul 27, 2019 8:16AM PDT
...in our elections is what the Democrats have been providing them,

And it's hard to make DJT trash talk the Ruskies,,,,,,

No problem trash talking the Dems.....HE disagrees with the Dems more than he disagrees with the groups that are willing to associate with the Dems?

The Russians are infiltrating the Dems to help the Repugs?

As an outsider looking in...that's what it looks like to me.

IF you aren't "in the loop" aren't you also an outsider?
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You know, outside of your usual quivering rage,
Jul 27, 2019 9:41AM PDT

I don't get any of this.
I would like to know one thing, if you can spare the time. Just who is this 'heroic old man' who has been so badly used?
(Could also ask, Why isn't HE President? But I would be faking any real interest.)

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maybe like when you are older...
Jul 27, 2019 9:46AM PDT

...and people "remind" you that you're a Catholic, LOL.

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That reply marks a new high (low) in your relevance.
Jul 28, 2019 1:37PM PDT

To anything.

However, since Toni has blocked me from her consciousness, maybe you can answer my serious question.
That 'brave old hero'. Who he?

Remember, I watched zero minutes of the Mueller stuff. Had to wash my hair.

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Mueller, according to
Jul 29, 2019 4:47AM PDT

many, is the 'brave old hero' I referred to as if you didn't know based on this entire thread topic...….and only because of most of his previous cases (some not so much, like Bulger and Epstein) and his military record.

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Thank you for your reply, Toni.
Jul 30, 2019 10:28AM PDT

Mueller was my first guess.

Then I saw that the comment seemed favorable to him, which didn't read like you from past posts.
Then I read about Mueller's 'corrupt' legal staff, which did read like you.
Then I saw something about "banana republic Democrats", which implied you were starting a another 'birther' controversy. (If they're citizens of a S. or C. American country, they are not members of the House.)
That's when I went back to bed.

IMO his "drowned out comment" was sensible. This is a unique case, as is every other court case, criminal or civil. Given the flap over this for the last couple of years (!), he was entitled.

Don't know his war record. Also don't know of any non-political reason for him to be found incompetent to run the show. And that show's over. New one starting.

Doctor just put a splint on my finger; too much scrolling. Guess I'll have to abandon this thread, also. Grin

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RE: There ARE no unique cases
Jul 27, 2019 6:41PM PDT
There ARE no unique cases when you are forcing the defendant to prove his own innocence when, in our country, everyone is presumed innocent until you can prove they are actually guilty.

Are you saying DJT is a "defendant"?....I haven't heard of him being charged with anything.

I take it you think he is a potential defendant.
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mud patties
Jul 27, 2019 11:28PM PDT

Don't accuse others of making mud patties when the other side did. They were the ones going on constantly about "exoneration" as if he'd been convicted of some crime, or at least charged with it. It's their attempt at using Congress as aKangaroo Court System, in order to imply that Trump is a defendant. Go follow the Looney Tunes crew as they head out the door with all their other cartoon characters, and Mr Peabody's janitor sweeps up after them.

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James, in case there is some confusion
Jul 28, 2019 3:54AM PDT

My post about 'defendant" was directed at TONI H....she was the one that referred to DJT as a "defendant"...

I would have called him a "person of interest", in an investigation.

Can a "person of interest" be "exonerated"?...

I think so, WAS this person of interest (DJT) "exonerated"?

I say NO, partially because of HIS refusal to give straight answers, and the FACT that Mueller said DJT was NOT exonerated, and other evidence that I believe many (including me) are not privy to .....

DJT...I'm exonerated....Mueller....NO you are not exonerated.

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First...I did NOT refer to TRUMP
Jul 28, 2019 6:06AM PDT

as a defendant....you did that all by yourself. What I said was that 'in OUR country, you are innocent UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY', and by having a prosecutor IN AN UNPRECENDENTED way claim that he wasn't EXONERATING someone, he was forcing a defendant to PROVE HIS INNOCENCE, which is NOT that prosecutor's JOB, Mueller's Part 2 report was nothing more than a political smear campaign/opinion piece that HE DIDN'T EVEN WRITE HIMSELF. His team made the decision that although they couldn't PROVE Trump did anything wrong, they COULD HINT that he did and dump it into Congressional hit squad teams to try and impeach him.

And even at THAT, they have NO intention of trying to impeach Trump....they ONLY want to keep the harassment going to make it LOOK like that's what they want, and try to get him elected out of office in 2020. They are buying TIME...and that's ALL. TIMING was what the Mueller hit job was ALL about...the 2018 election and now the 2020 one coming up. It partially worked for 2018 by getting whack jobs elected in the House, but it didn't succeed in the Senate....and now the Dems are in real trouble with the probability of losing the House again and they have NO hope for the Presidential spot with the list of candidates they have on the table.

Desperation is obvious...……..

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RE:I did NOT refer to TRUMP as a defendant
Jul 29, 2019 4:33AM PDT

He isn't a defendant in a trial?....but he has the rights of everyone that hasn't been charged YET?

He's a potential defendant?

Well you referred to TRUMP many times in your argument...so what conclusion would you jump to?

If you're not too old to jump to a conclusion. I have heard tell of when people get really old they are too old to change.

RE:having a prosecutor IN AN UNPRECEDENTED way claim that he wasn't EXONERATING someone,

AND it's also UNPRECEDENTED to have to correct POTUS after POTUS makes false claims of being EXONERATED.

THIS POTUS WAS NEVER EXONERATED!!!!!!!

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Exonerated
Jul 29, 2019 4:55AM PDT

Mueller didn't have authority to do it and unless he was willing to claim that Trump committed a crime, knowing he could be indicted and charged AFTER he left office, Trump is legally INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. Mueller was NOT, as a prosecutor, legally allowed to write (or have written by someone else) a political hit piece that HINTED Trump committed a crime.

Even his mandate, which was a COUNTER INTELLIGENCE investigation, was immediately turned by him and his team into a CRIMINAL investigation...….and they found NOTHING to charge him with.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/24/robert-mueller-testimony-michael-turner-says-no-one-can-exonerate/1817251001/

Get over it......Trump beat them AGAIN.

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RE:a political hit piece that HINTED Trump committed a crime
Jul 29, 2019 7:31AM PDT

DJT didn't help himself by proclaiming HE was "exonerated"....no need to be exonerated UNLESS there was a possibility/suggestion that some wrongdoing had occurred.

exonerate.......absolve (someone) from blame for a fault or wrongdoing, especially after due consideration of the case.

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Not exactly true -
Jul 29, 2019 7:26PM PDT

Mueller and his team found at least ten instances of obstruction - directly and indirectly leading back to Donald J. Trump - and during Mueller's investigation several people who once worked for Trump in various capacities were found guilty of crimes and some have already been incarcerated.

I guess we can quibble about _why_ Trump wanted to cover up his tracks - some on the Republican side say he was "protecting himself" from as you say " a political hit ". If that is correct - and I'm not saying there was no bias on Mueller's side - don't you think it would be discoverable? " The truth will out " is the usual phrase - and if so then I expect Mueller's reputation
will take a huge hit.

I don't think Trump has "beat" anyone - he's looking more and more like a desperate man, to me. I think the proper phrase here is : " He doth protest too much ". If Trump is as innocent as he claims to be of any wrongdoing, he would not have to squawk so much about "Witch-hunts" and "fake news" and of course the vast left-wing "conspiracy" against him...

So, time will tell whether you are right or he's the rat-fink I think he is.

Rick

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I think every single one of us
Jul 30, 2019 4:38AM PDT

would be screaming at the top of our lungs if we were accused of doing something wrong with our entire lives being at stake, along with our families' lives, and be frustrated over it. How many times have we personally during our lifetime made threats to people who have tried to hurt us in some way or another, and never made good on those threats because we never meant them literally in the first place? How about something as simple as "I brought you into this world, and I'll take you back out" as a parent frustrated with your child? That's a freaking DEATH threat........but nobody would take it seriously enough to ruin your life over it.

So he threatened or wanted to fire Mueller, Rosenstein, Sessions et al....so what? IT NEVER HAPPENED....and not just because somebody else didn't 'follow orders' or 'talked him down' as Dems love to say. He knew that firing Mueller wouldn't change anything...he would just be replaced with someone else and the 'kangaroo court investigation' would continue (Nixon did just that, if you recall). So he vented, just like we all do.....and STILL COOPERATED above and beyond what he needed to do.

There actually WAS/IS a left-wing conspiracy against him....unlike the contrived and manufactured political point that the HILL claimed as the 'right wing conspiracy' against her lying, cheating, and sick as hell hubby. There was ACTUAL PROOF against Bill....there has been NO proof against Trump which is why he was NOT indicted or had ANY impeachment recommendations made by the "Mueller Dossier" unlike the report that was written against Bill.

The only desperation out there is coming from the Dems....and it's becoming more and more obvious. Straw grasping.....and not for the ones that Trump is selling like hotcakes. LOL

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RE:How many times have we personally during our lifetime mad
Jul 30, 2019 6:41AM PDT
How many times have we personally during our lifetime made threats to people who have tried to hurt us in some way or another, and never made good on those threats because we never meant them literally in the first place?

Threats...I hear ya'...how 'bout promises?

Punch that guy...I'll pay your legal fees?

Why didn't HE get off the stage and do his own dirty work?

HE would have no problem shooting someone, but can't get off the stage and punch someone?

Don't believe a word DJT says?
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I don't like you, Bill. I'm gonna key your car.
Jul 30, 2019 10:11AM PDT

Where do you live?

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(NT) JUST KIDDING!
Jul 30, 2019 10:11AM PDT
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IF there was any proof
Jul 30, 2019 4:51AM PDT

that Trump obstructed the investigation, and Mueller's team couldn't actually FIND that proof in over two YEARS of looking, what do you think a stupid Nadler or Schiff is going to find? Mueller had the authority to get into Trump's finances, and never bothered...he had the authority to search in a vast number of areas that Congress doesn't have the authority to look, and never bothered. What's happening now is nothing more than political harassment. They all know there is NOTHING THERE....they are just HOPING for some tidbits that can become sound bites.

And, in case you are interested in some history....Nadler and Trump have been going at it for a long number of years when Nadler tried to stop Trump from a building contract years ago and Trump beat him then, too. So this is PERSONAL for Nadler, just as Mueller and Trump had a PERSONAL history.

You mentioned 'bias'......how many times in our life do we have our PERSONAL adversaries have the ability to try and destroy us later POLITICALLY just because they think they can, and not have ANYBODY point out that personal link and demand that they recuse themselves from the investigation? Consider a prosecutor whose wife was raped, mutilated, and killed...and being assigned to investigate and prosecute in court the person who did it, and not be accused of bias by the defendant's attorney? Wouldn't he be forced to recuse himself from that trial by a sane judge?

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Since DJT has so many adversaries from HIS
Jul 30, 2019 5:43AM PDT

previous dealings with Government....

Perhaps HE shouldn't be "in Government".

HE has too much baggage.

IF he can't stand the heat...stay out of the kitchen?

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RE:and being assigned to investigate and prosecute in court
Jul 30, 2019 7:43AM PDT
and being assigned to investigate and prosecute in court the person who did it,


who did it?....were they already convicted?


Wouldn't he be assigned to investigate and prosecute the person that the evidence points toward, and is being ACCUSED of doing it?

Since everyone is INNOCENT until proven guilty?

At least they were in previous posts by you.