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They used an old man's

Jul 25, 2019 4:45AM PDT

hero reputation in the most obscene way to try and put credibility to a 400 page ***** show that was obviously only written by attorneys who visibly hated Trump. Mueller's one statement that was drowned out and ignored by the media tells you all you need to know....when asked to name one case that a prosecutor ever wrote a report saying that the person investigated was not exonerated, he replied he couldn't (was interrupted by the asker at that point who stated 'because no case exists') Mueller followed it up with 'this was a unique case'.  There ARE no unique cases when you are forcing the defendant to prove his own innocence when, in our country, everyone is presumed innocent until you can prove they are actually guilty.

Shame on these Banana Republic Democrats for using this man who is being excoriated in the media today after a stellar legal reputation that is now in ruins....but then, again, Dems and liberals don't care who they destroy in order to further their own agendas and that's been proven time and again.  That's the last bit of sympathy I will have for Mueller because to be honest, he KNEW Weisman and allowed him to pick the team knowing his cutthroat reputation and the fact that his spots wouldn't change because if he can destroy the lives of people he didn't even care about previously, he wouldn't hesitate to do it to people he totally hated....and Mueller allowed that team to actually write/create the report he submitted and never bothered to read.  He took the easy way rather than live up to his own reputation and he's paying the price for it today while his 'team' walks away scott free.  The report, according to Mueller yesterday, was deliberately finished up to time it with the presidential debates season before the 2020 election....this was done by NOT issuing a subpoena for Trump to physically testify and accepting the written answers instead because Mueller said it would have taken over a year to get that testimony since he knew Trump would fight it through the courts.  Manipulating a trash report on a sitting president running for re-election ISN'T considered to be 'interfering with an election', I guess.

There are only two individuals who won in this fiasco....Trump and Pelosi (who has been trying to warn her radicals that their impeachment obsession was going to give the Republicans the House back and get Trump re-elected).

Now it's on to the second part of real justice for our country.....the IG report and the investigation by Durham and Barr.

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RE:forcing the defendant to prove his own innocence
Jul 25, 2019 5:53AM PDT

DJT IS the "defendant" you are referring to, isn't he?

What was DJT specifically "forced" to do?

When everyone around a certain Individual #1 is found guilty of committing certain offenses, most times Individual #1 gets brought in for questioning.

Individual #1 doesn't want to/WILL NOT come in for questioning but will respond with written responses....these responses do NOT match the evidence that has been collected from other sources.....

The "report" reports the "evidence" it collected. The discrepancies between the evidence and the written responses are noted in the report.

I thought Mueller did not get what the inquiry wanted from DJT. (a chance to get a face to face questioning?)

I would think that POTUS(no matter who that individual is) would gladly do anything they could to make sure the election was conducted fairly.

DJT hasn't "proved" anything....HE has "declared" HIS exoneration.

You believe one side cannot "say that a person is NOT exonerated"...yet you have no problem with the other side "exonerating himself"?

PS...everyone is presumed innocent...BUT we're still going to charge you and have a trial....just to make sure...

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Not only is your entire post
Jul 25, 2019 2:38PM PDT

nothing but babble, but your last sentence is ridiculous. You have to actually HAVE a crime committed in order to charge and have a trial. Even Mueller's report states that they couldn't FIND a crime....only speculation.

And he corrected his statement regarding exoneration to show that the rule pertaining to POTUS was NOT what was used to not charge him.

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RE:Not only is your entire post nothing but babble
Jul 25, 2019 5:54PM PDT

Nice to have the old TONI H back.

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RE:And he corrected his statement regarding exoneration to s
Jul 25, 2019 7:02PM PDT
And he corrected his statement regarding exoneration to show that the rule pertaining to POTUS was NOT what was used to not charge him.

Did Mueller also say

Report doesn't exonerate Trump, Mueller testifies, and he could be charged after leaving office

AFTER you leave office you could be charged,,,,,BUT because you are in office is NOT the reason we are NOT charging you?

We are still collecting evidence, and we know how to get in touch with you?

Sleep tight Donald?
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You, the Dems, and liberals
Jul 26, 2019 3:34AM PDT

are twisting yourselves into knots over the 'not exonerated' statement rather than the actual FACTS.....he DIDN'T obstruct the investigation. In FACT, he was MORE cooperative than any other President who was investigated before him, and that's been proven. The Dems are at best hopeful and at worst desperate, and it shows. When your own leadership slaps you down behind closed doors, you know you're in trouble with your argument and 'case'. Their ONLY goal is to stop him from being re-elected, via harassment, and NOT to charge him with ANYTHING since they can't prove it even if he ISN'T re-elected. It will be all parties and celebration and Trump and obstruction will be in their taillights.

However, BO and Biden and the HILL et al including Clapper, Comey, and Brennan are another story and they should all be worried. Why do you think they are all so silent at this point?

Trump beat them and now Barr, Durham, and Horowitz are up at bat and are in offensive mode finally.........and the case for 'collusion/conspiracy' against them is a hell of a lot stronger than anything they ever made up regarding Trump.....and it's all documented with more to come. For a bunch of trained 'investigators' (FBI, CIA, et al), they've proven their incompetence by leaving vast amounts of paper trails....or maybe it was just arrogance in believing it didn't matter because so many were 'watching their backs' and covering for them.

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RE:he was MORE cooperative than any other President
Jul 26, 2019 4:03AM PDT
he was MORE cooperative than any other President who was investigated before him, and that's been proven

proven?...by?....

Don't suppose you could provide a link to that claim could you?

Pretty please with sugar on it. Come on TONI H...give me something to work with.....

BTW I don't consider proving YOUR claim by providing a link to prove YOUR claim is MY homework, so IF you respond without a link....OR don't respond....I'll know that would be YOUR response.
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I've listed it before but if you insist
Jul 27, 2019 5:01AM PDT

on being reminded again due to meds not working for you, here ya go since you begged so nicely....

500 witnesses (none were stopped from testifying)
30 hours of testimony from his WH lawyer (unheard of previously)
1.5 million documents (none were blocked)
NO executive privilege used (also unheard of)

That's just the short list...….Mueller was never obstructed nor was he hindered from completing the investigation that HE didn't even participate in, according to his own testimony.

And if you try to say that he told witnesses to NOT appear, that was done after the Mueller report came out and Nadler/Schiff issued another 80+ subpoenas for a large number of those SAME witnesses to testify in front of their committees....which would put many of them into ANOTHER attorney fee hardship unnecessarily....which is what the Mueller investigation did to a good number of the witnesses THEY called.

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RE:here ya go since you begged so nicely....
Jul 27, 2019 5:35AM PDT

I begged nicely for a LINK....

You do know how to post a LINK don't you?

Like I "begged"

so IF you respond without a link..

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YO!!!!!!!.......TONI H Your quest was
Jul 27, 2019 6:02AM PDT

Provide a link showing

DJT was MORE cooperative than any other President who was investigated before him, and that's been proven


I've heard stories of other Presidents while under "investigation" actually sitting across the table from the people that are investigating them and answering questions face to face......

Word on the street is DJT composed his responses from an undisclosed location and responded to written questions. Many of his "answers" were that "he didn't recall".

Not that he didn't do something....just that he didn't recall if he did it?

Another "old man" ruining HIS reputation as an extremely stable genius” that doesn't recall events?

HE's really, really smart but HE forgets what HE knew?

Not much point in being a "genius" is there?

Does HE even think about what HE says?

PS..."I don't recall", Trumpspeak for, "I did that but I won't admit it"?

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"other Presidents sat down
Jul 28, 2019 5:50AM PDT

across the table"......AND THEY DELIBERATELY LIED TO THEM. Too bad you left out THAT part.

Considering that witnesses that were judged to NOT BE LYING were STILL pressured into 'confessing' or face family and financial ruin, the best thing Trump did was NOT have a sit down with a bunch of hatchetmen for the Dems. In THIS country, ONE witness can say ONE thing, and have ANOTHER witness say the same thing a little differently, and the criminal perjury charges are filed and your life is destroyed forever. When you look at the actual history of the Mueller team, nobody was safe....

BUT take into consideration as well, that out of over 500 witnesses who DID talk with that corrupt team, FIVE had charges brought against them....and NONE of those charges had anything to do with Trump or his campaign which is why Trump was cleared of the collusion crap and so were those men. They were all forced into plea deals under duress brought upon by that 'team' and some are suing the FBI and CIA over them.

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TONI you still haven't provided the "link"
Jul 28, 2019 6:55AM PDT

to your "proof".

DJT was MORE cooperative than any other President who was investigated before him, and that's been proven

At least the OTHER liars had the gonads to sit across the table and LIE instead of hiding in some undisclosed location and passing notes full of lies/memory lapses.

THAT's cooperation!

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"gonads"???? Nope....
Jul 29, 2019 4:33AM PDT

The had the ARROGANCE to believe that they could get cover and walk away. Trump KNEW he would never be given the benefit of doubt and ANYTHING he said would be spun into whatever the media and investigators WANTED it to be instead.

Lesson learned...….ALWAYS KNOW YOUR ENEMY'S INTENTIONS AND AGENDA.

I don't know what kind of link you think you need....but every President under investigation prior to Trump used executive privilege to keep secrets buried. Trump didn't and allowed EVERY witness to testify and over a million documents UNREDACTED to be given to Mueller's hit squad. That's never happened before.

If that's not cooperation, tell me what you think it is compared to others.

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RE:tell me what you think it is compared to others.
Jul 29, 2019 4:37AM PDT

I just did...sit down at the table and answer the questions....face to face.

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After seeing what they
Jul 29, 2019 5:04AM PDT

did to others, and destroyed their lives and families in their wake, nobody in their right mind would ever sit down with Mueller or any part of his henchmen, and that goes for Nader/Schiff, too.

They have an agenda....and TRUTH ISN'T IT...…

Cooperation doesn't include bringing a noose to a lynching....when you know whose neck they plan to put it around.

PFFFFTTTTTT to you....

Cry all you want, JP....Trump beat them at their own game....and now he has Horowitz, Durham, and Barr coming after THEM. Let's see how many of THEM sit down 'face to face' and how you feel about it when they try to get out of that.

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RE:.Trump beat them at their own game..
Jul 29, 2019 6:59AM PDT

the game ain't over til the fat lady sings(When Trump is out of office AND charges are laid(and adjudicated) OR NOT laid.)

you think he beat them and yet he is still crying...not only is he a sore loser...he is a sore winner, a NBC? Natural Born Crybaby?

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RE: he told witnesses to NOT appear, that was done after the
Jul 27, 2019 7:49AM PDT
he told witnesses to NOT appear, that was done after the Mueller report came out

So you are admitting DJT DID tell others not to appear.

WHY? Why was it HIS job to tell witnesses to NOT APPEAR?

You would think that the witnesses would validate HIS "story".

Oh wait...HE doesn't "recall" what happened.

So it would be the word of someone that "does recall/swears to" against someone that "doesn't recall".

Even Judge Judy takes the word of someone that recalls over someone that doesn't recall.
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He refuses to cooperate any further
Jul 28, 2019 5:53AM PDT

and that includes invoking executive privilege for witnesses before Congress that have ALREADY testified. Many will or have already refused the subpoenas from the House because they are only calling them to testify so it can be compared with the Mueller statements they made to see if even a word or two changes so charges can be requested for perjury. It's total harassment over a case that is now officially and legally closed.

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RE:includes invoking executive privilege for witnesses
Jul 28, 2019 12:35PM PDT
includes invoking executive privilege for witnesses before Congress that have ALREADY testified.

HE has a time machine and can go back in time and change the past?

Where can I get one of those machines?

I've heard he can issue a pardon after someone has been sentenced....but I didn't know he could have what they said stricken from the record.

Got a link to that?

PS...They haven't ALREADY TESTIFIED before Congress.....Congress doesn't have access to the full text of the redacted report. Congress wants to know...

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Congress
Jul 29, 2019 4:44AM PDT

under the new rules for special prosecutors weren't even eligible to see the report if Barr decided NOT to release it. They HAVE HAD access to over 95% of the entire report, JP. IF they bothered to go to a SKIF, they would have had access to everything EXCEPT that last 1% as well.....they ONLY thing they weren't allowed to see was the Grand Jury material, which is what they are trying to get from the courts. That Grand Jury material refers to witnesses who testified that were never indicted or charged and Barr knows that a smear campaign would occur if they saw it because someone in Congress would LEAK it and put out the names and testimony of people and destroy MORE lives for vendetta purposes.

SOME of those under subpoena in Congress DID already testify before them AND before Mueller.....and MOST cannot afford to keep hiring attorneys just because Congress didn't like their answers. Congress (Nadler and Schiff) don't CARE who they ruin as long as they keep Trump in their crosshairs.

You're nuts....Trump isn't having their statements stricken and you know it. He's preventing Congress from destroying lives for no reason other than they have a connection to him. They've already made their statements at least once to Mueller, some twice because they already testified as well before Congress. There is NO reason to have them come back AGAIN, and Trump is allowed to stop at least some of their harassment by refusing to allow them to be in their sights again.

As he has said often....how many bites of the same apple do they think they are entitled to? A court will decide, I guess.

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RE:that a smear campaign would occur
Jul 29, 2019 5:16AM PDT
that a smear campaign would occur if they saw it because someone in Congress would LEAK it and put out the names and testimony of people and destroy MORE lives for vendetta purposes.

would occur, if, because, would LEAK, put out the names, vendetta?

In previous posts...YOU claimed America was a country that people were "Innocent UNTIL proven guilty."....

So I guess you have proof of these LEAKS have already occurred in THIS situation, and the consequences have already taken place as the courts have determined?

Innocent UNTIL proven guilty?
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There was a closed hearing last year
Jul 30, 2019 4:22AM PDT

that was closed door for a reason....but Schiff was coming in and out of that meeting informing the press about what was being said,....that's called LEAKING.

A private phone conversation of Flynn's was not only LEAKED but his NAME was also LEAKED. Susan Rice admitted to leaking his name. NO consequences for this unlawful act.

NO consequences for those who leaked, including COMEY who ADMITTED to leaking to his personal friend (who he later hired as his attorney in order to keep 'attorney/client privilege) his 'memos' about his private meeting with Trump and he admitted that he did it in order to get a special prosecutor appointed. NO consequences for that unlawful act.

Feinstein LEAKED Kavanaugh's accuser's story during that 'hearing' even though the accuser didn't WANT her name out there (Feinstein ALSO gave the accuser the names of the attorneys she hired and used during that 'hearing').....NO consequences for that unlawful act.

Grand jury testimony documents would have the names of everyone who testified along with their statements. Do YOU honestly believe Nadler or Schiff wouldn't leak those names and statements and ultimately destroy those lives of people who have NOT been accused or charged with ANYTHING? That's the SOLE purpose of Grand Jury testimony and records....It's PRIVATE information to protect INNOCENT people from being smeared with innuendo and accusations or even physical threats and harm because of what they said.

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RE:He's preventing Congress from destroying lives for no rea
Jul 29, 2019 5:23AM PDT
He's preventing Congress from destroying lives for no reason other than they have a connection to him.

Trump is toxic?
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Only to Democrats
Jul 30, 2019 4:23AM PDT

who see him as a threat to their power. They loved him beforehand when he was donating to their campaigns.....

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Trump doesn't HAVE to prove anything....
Jul 25, 2019 2:41PM PDT

that's the beauty of OUR judicial system. It's the PROSECUTORS who have to prove their case or sit down and shut up....but the 'lawyers' who wrote part 2 of the report COULDN'T do that so they threw in that last 'exoneration' statement just for the hell of it as a final middle finger to the man who beat them.

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RE:final middle finger to the man who beat them.
Jul 25, 2019 7:33PM PDT

Beat "them"?

DJT beat "them"?

So now America is "everyone else" and "them"?

They give the middle finger and DJT thumbs his nose(at the laws)?

OFF WITH THEIR DIGITS!!!!!!!

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RE:.when asked to name one case
Jul 25, 2019 7:36AM PDT
when asked to name one case that a prosecutor ever wrote a report saying that the person investigated was not exonerated

I think someone also asked a question about writing a report that the person named in the report could NOT BE CHARGED because of their position. (POTUS)

Will the ship hit the fan when DJT leaves office?
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(NT) Depends on which country he leaves it for.
Jul 25, 2019 11:31AM PDT
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(NT) I suggest he doesn't go to Puerto Rico.
Jul 25, 2019 7:49PM PDT
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(NT) Ummm ... I did say "country".
Jul 25, 2019 8:39PM PDT
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In 1 1/2 years they MIGHT be a "country"
Jul 25, 2019 8:48PM PDT

they did get rid of one leader because of homophobic rants and trash talking and insulting statements....all qualities some think DJT possesses .