They can charge his "organization"

All of that changed with 42. Either that, or it's OK to play hanky-panky after getting into office but not before. Job perks, ya' know.

Yes, @ThemToo.
Anyway, Toni (sorry, Steven), 42 all you got?
Quick Google for numbers- not peccadillos- gave me 7, 29* & FDR (several numbers, by one reckoning).
Mamie E. had Ike's cute young Army driver in England replaced.

* Said to have been found in a closet with his chippy. Monica's, I wonder?

You are assuming that he DID.....

It's NOT illegal to pay 'hush' money, JP....It IS illegal to BLACKMAIL/EXTORT it though....

blackmail
[ˈblakˌmāl]

NOUN
the action, treated as a criminal offense, of demanding payment or another benefit from someone in return for not revealing compromising or damaging information about them.

synonyms:
extortion · demanding money with menaces · exaction · intimidation · [more]
VERB
demand money or another benefit from (someone) in return for not revealing compromising or damaging information about them.

synonyms:
extort money from · threaten · hold to ransom · milk · bleed · demand hush money

The Dems are pushing to see his organization's records HOPING to find SOMETHING/ANYTHING

It's illegal to go on fishing expeditions into private or corporate records, JP....and this will be quashed in the courts AGAIN making Trump the winner.

I ask again....when do YOU think the taxpayer's money should go to something important for the country instead of endless legal battles just because Dems can't/won't accept the fact that he beat the hell out of them in 2016 when they believed they had a 'lock' on the election? For what's been spent already, the rat infested area of Baltimore could have been cleaned up and rebuilt three times over by now.

So you think they are investigating Trump Organization because Stormy BLACKMAILED/EXTORTED money?...

Too bad Cohen became the fly in the ointment and drew DJT into the fray......


That individual should be truthful about paying the money to help convict the perp....NOW IF the person pays the blackmailer from funds that they should not have used....that could/would draw the attention of law authorities.

AND that is where we are now....

Trump left the money he owed Cohen off of his 2017 disclosure, but in a footnote in his 2018 disclosure he said he had “fully reimbursed” Cohen for expenses he had incurred. (It didn’t specify for what.) Subsequently, in May of last year, the OGE sent a letter to the Department of Justice alerting Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein about the omission. And in August, watchdog group the Project on Government Oversight asked the OGE to review whether that footnote had been accurate, since it declared Trump had paid Cohen up to $250,000 but prosecutors revealed Cohen had received $420,000.

it doesn't "add up"....and THEY want to know why.

Cohen was not only Trump's personal attorney, but he was also the Finance Chairman of the RNC. It would stand to reason that he would receive a paycheck for those two roles...and that they would be separate amounts.

Since NOTHING was ever shown via documents that Trump reimbursed Cohen the $130K that was paid to Stormy out of campaign funds, it stands to reason that he would have paid it out of his OWN money from the organization....which isn't illegal to do. Even the prosecutors never produced documents proving the breakdown of the $420K to show where the monies came from and what they were used for and Cohen had detailed paperwork that was seized by the government. So why the additional scrutiny now into the Organization's finances????? Because they got NOTHING and are FISHING again...……

Trump will again have to fight it out in court and will win.

Are you EVER gonna say anything about all this wasted taxpayer money on these harassment lawsuits? Taxpayers pay for Congress and low level prosecutors to file them, and then more taxpayer money is spent on Trump's end fighting them. It's stupid already and the voters are sick of this crap when those millions of dollars are again being wasted on bull.

Irrelevant to Manhattan's DA, IMO.

As to Baltimore, there's an old peacenik trope that could be used. Measure cost of 'liberal agenda' stuff in kind; butter vs. guns.
E.g. clean Baltimore for one CVN or ten stealths not built.
There are many more, easily calculated, but it makrs me too sad to think about.

Did I forget anything? Oh, yes, the Bible.
Prophetic Psalm 72:2,4.
"May he plead the cause of your people with righteousness, and of your lowly ones with justice. Let him defend the lowly among the people, let him save the sons of the poor, and let him crush the defrauder."

You should in fact read the whole Psalm. Very pleasant and encouraging. Relaxing; takes your mind off any current stressors.
Will you?

would indicate who and what you are replying to.....and at least make an effort to not babble and make sense of what you are trying to say.

Follow the arrow, not Dr Minor.

Babbling ... babbling ... Ah, here it is.
"Babbling, n. Any statement that disagrees with Toni's opinion."
"Adj. Said of a statement that disagrees with an opinion of Toni's."

so if it's babble to you...

Draw your own conclusion on that.

Rick

Manattan, IMO, has no justification for checking into Trump Organization finances with regard to Stormy payment since if the money did come from that organization is was his own money and totally legal.

As for the babble: in addition to "philology" which has no context to the topic as far as I can see (Philology is the study of language in oral and written historical sources; it is the intersection of textual criticism, literary criticism, history, and linguistics. [page needed] Philology is more commonly defined as the study of literary texts as well as oral and written records, the establishment of their authenticity and their original form, and the determination of their meaning.), there is also "Dr Minor" (other than dermatologists and allergists, only YOU seem to understand what/who you are talking about.

Then there is this: "As to Baltimore, there's an old peacenik trope that could be used. Measure cost of 'liberal agenda' stuff in kind; butter vs. guns.
E.g. clean Baltimore for one CVN or ten stealths not built.
There are many more, easily calculated, but it makrs me too sad to think about."

If you keep insisting on speaking in encrypted words that only you and Bill or Bob can understand, I guess the three of you really are of one mind with nothing of importance to discuss or debate.....but then that's pretty typical of liberals now. It used to be that liberals were all about sharing viewpoints....not so much anymore.

And I've never expected or asked you to agree with me, in case you are interested. I'm here for discussion and debate....you guys just seem to be here to rant about Trump and trash anybody who doesn't agree with YOU. The babble you present doesn't require that you agree with me....there is only a necessity of having what you have to say form coherent sentence structure, but it seems you are incapable of that. At least JP and Bob achieve that......

and such like must be the new JW "book of quotes" along with misapplied OT passages from Bible.

took me off excessive scrolling. Have to abandon this thread, too.

¶1. Irrelevant? Your vocabulary lesson is, to the DA. No help needed from you or Bill. You have decided the case; the DA hasn't even brought it. Irrelevant? Your decision. Relevant? Anything the DA says.
¶2. Duckduckgo found my Dr. Minor first thing.
I'm aware of the nature of philology, as opposed to, say, mere vocabulary making. I'm so smart* I don't need Wikipedia. (Tipoff: next time, delete "[page needed]". But use quotes anyway.) The NED, the mother dictionary for English, used both types of scholars as well as interested laypersons. ('A dictionary on historical principles.') Stood on Johnson's shoulders. "Dictionary" Johnson, when you Google.
¶3. I do have my own style; sometimes it clouds, rather than clears, so I try to eschew obfuscation. (Hoo-eee! Look at them big words!) I also use too many semicolons. Rewrite:
Leftists in the Seventies used to point out that the cost of an aircraft carrier (the "guns" of the economists) would build, say, hundreds of simple homes for poor people. ("butter"). Still a good thought.
The objection of course was to giving away the houses. ("My tax dollars? No way!") The CVN (ask your son) is given to the swabbies who inhabit and sail it; that's somehow different to the taxpayers. "Stealths" = stealth bombers. Same point.
¶4. "Sharing viewpoints". Aren't you the one who flatly refuses to look at the Bible's viewpoint?

* Cute, too. I often note that my smartness and cuteness are exceeded only by my modesty.

I recognized....however, I believe the aircraft carriers are a necessity whereas money spent to see how many miles a crawfish can walk on a treadmill money spent isn't and THAT money could be spent on the homeless and hungry children without any complaint from me.

I don't refuse to look at the Bible....I refuse to accept your interpretation of it. Just like some Muslims refuse to accept a radical Muslim's interpretation of theirs. And I don't choose to deliberately force feed MY beliefs to others by preaching them in a public forum on a daily basis...sometimes many times a day.

I don't think Mr. Pruner chose either - other than he chose his religion - spreading the news is required, I understand... - though I am with you about the many references to verse he lists here - sometimes I look them up, other times I do not, just for lack of time or interest. When I _have_ they are usually illuminating, though, so I suppose I should do so more often. (As I've noted elsewhere, my Biblical knowledge is rather sparse, to put it lightly!).

Anyway, continue fighting each other if you prefer... Sometimes it's hilarious to a lapsed pagan like myself who has only recently become more aware of the wisdom in Scriptural writings. I've always been spiritual though, never lost the wonder of a child's viewpoint of the world and Nature
(big N intentional!). The Moody Blues had/have a lyric that expresses that well - "With the eyes of a child..." from their fifth album. "Eyes of Child" :

> Listen, hear the sound
The child awakes
Wonder all around
The child awakes
Now in his life, he never must be lost
No thoughts must deceive him
In life he must trust
With the eyes of a child
You must come out and see
That your world's spinning 'round
And through life you will be
A small part of a hope
Of a love that exists
In the eyes of a child you will see
Earth falls far away
New life awaits
Time it has no day
New life awaits
Here is your dream
And now how does it feel?
No words will go with you
And now what is real?
With the eyes of a child
You must come out and see
That your world's spinning 'round
And through life you will be
A small part of a hope
Of a love that exists
In the eyes of a child you will see
Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: John Charles Lodge

Sorry about the length - but the lyrics are too good to truncate, methinks. :^)

Rick " spaced out, yessiree " Jones :^)

I have no clue what JP and dr are talking about.

If they can't post in plain English I just move on.

As for manhatten and the trump org the courts can decide that.

If you mean bookkeepers, they're on display at the Soap about sex-crazed accountants.

The Young and the Rubicam.

Been waiting years to use that. Thanks.

on the same activity plus his vaca's to Hawaii, Martha's Vineyard, Michelle's vaca with her friends to Africa that cost over $100 MILLION, et al?

How many vaca's has Trump and his family taken other than to his OWN resorts?

You need to find something important to start bit.hing about, JP....

You need to find something important to start bit.hing about, JP....

Does this more on target for you? Coal mines reopening was a major plank in DJTs platform


'I think Trump needs to show his face': laid-off miners losing faith in coal promises

CUMBERLAND, Ky. — Protesting Kentucky coal miners sweated through a fourth day on top of a railroad track as they continued blocking a coal train from leaving a Harlan County mine.

Recently laid off, the miners are demanding weeks of back pay from their bankrupt employer as the company assets were put up for auction Thursday.

Images of frustrated coal miners playing ******** on the railroad tracks helped draw national attention to the July 1 bankruptcy of mining company Blackjewel, which came without warning and sparked financial turmoil when paychecks bounced.

The bankruptcy of the nation's sixth-largest U.S. coal producer came after a string of other major coal company bankruptcies in recent years, including Blackhawk and Wyoming-based Cloud Peak Energy in May.

ALL of them that BO and the HILL were going to close. Noticed you didn't mention all the ones that actually stayed open or new ones that did. Did you just forget to mention them? Coal is a huge export commodity that would have disappeared if it wasn't for Trump's policies....or don't you agree?

Re Blackhawk...started in 2010 and bought up many other Chapter 11 coal mines hoping for a price change by 2015. It didn't happen until 2016 and it was too late to keep them afloat. Not Trump's fault....they were greedy in their endeavors and took a risk that didn't work out. However, they ARE able to stabilize and continue on according to the article linked here. https://www.energycentral.com/news/another-major-coal-producer-will-file-bankruptcy-it-employs-2800-ky-and-wv

Re Cloud Peak Energy...it doesn't say that the company is shutting down the mines. https://trib.com/business/energy/wyoming-coal-giant-cloud-peak-files-for-bankruptcy/article_92bd4383-b117-5200-8748-0eb8e4585baf.html

Most articles I've found re: coal mine bankruptcies indicate that they have mostly occurred during 2015 and 2016, and had nothing to do with Trump. Nearly all Chapter 11 bankruptcies don't turn into permanent closings...they mostly turn into restructuring situations, just like the auto industries have faced numerous times.

and pensions as of yesterday, not the jobs next Monday.

The jobs promised for next Monday.

Nasty of them to quote a campaign statement.
Did they figure the invisible but real cost of Secret Service, I wonder?

IMO the country's Chief Executive should get any perk* he wants; it's a stressful job. In my non-neutral days I was on record as not objecting to cost. Trump should have kept his mouth shut about golf.
And a few other things.

* Not of course like 29, 42, 7, mentioned elsewhere.

I have no idea who you are replying to re: Secret Service costs. Please explain. Who quoted a campaign statement? It's really hard to follow this train when you don't give much reference to what you are talking about.

I was answering him.

That had his link to the golf-date-count people. Which we know you didn't follow, because it explains the campaign statement. Not my problem; all sensible references, to Bill.

Presidents and immediate families get full-time protection. Scotland, Pebble Beach, anywhere.

You've already forgotten, I guess, the accounts in early 2017 about the SS budget being stretched by simultaneous staffing of multiple favored residences- D.C., Florida, Manhattan.
He's not a cheap date. I hope you're getting your money's worth.
Anything else?

is extended to Carter and his family, Bill and his family, GWB and his family, BO and his family...……..for life...….no matter how many trips THEY make as well that never get reported.

SS is NOT employed at various residences if POTUS or any of his family if they aren't there at the time....they are only required to protect his primary residence (Trump Towers) if no one is there.....however, that's true for all the other presidents as well, which means that BO's home in Chicago is being protected at all times although he mainly lives in a rental with his family in DC.

And Trump doesn't do vaca's like the BO family does....which has saved a lot more money than BO and his wife spent during their terms in office and continue to do.

Anything else?