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Waiting to see
pictures of the civvy contractors with panties on their heads. I wouldn't sorry for anyone who didn't lock up their gear, but in this case, they were broken into. How pathetic. I wonder why there isn't a system of checking any out going tool boxes etc?
(NT) or why the crew was ordered out of the area.
Evidently they were doing
something with the flooring and couldn't have people walking on it and most of the people in that deck area were going to be on duty covering for the first half of the guys who went on leave so it would have nearly been deserted anyhow. Half the ship went on leave the last 11 days til the first and then the second half is on leave now. Derek didn't say if the same crew will be doing the flooring on the other deck while the he and the other guys are gone, but I'm assuming this contractor got the whole job. It was only after Derek's half were getting ready to go on leave and were allowed back to that deck area finally that they were able to see that the locks had all been broken into.
thats a crime and
the contractor should be held responceible, he has the names so he can hand that over or pay to replace all
A Damn shame
I know what the military pay scale is like as I often lived check to check in the service. ANY financial set back in the military can send you reeling.
These thieves are the lowest in the chain.I hope they are haunted in their dreams by explosions,gunfire and spine tingling screams...while the music of the CD's they stole plays in the background.
In cases like this, the Commander/Captain of the ship has...
...wide and lateral powers. In fact, as I see it, that contractor would rather go bear huntin' with a switch than steal anything from a US Navy Ship. Naval Intelligence would jump on this like a duck on a June Bug.
Doesn't the contractor have insurance..
to cover something like this? I would think they are liable. I'm guessing it's one crooked employee and it's in teh contractor's interest as well as the Navy's to find and prosecute him.
I hope it's followed up.
(NT) If they stole Navy equipment.
Derek was saying that
if somebody's car is parked on the base and gets broken into or wrecked, the Navy pays for the damages and then goes after the responsible party if they can investigate and locate him/her. He's hoping it's going to be the same way with their gear since it was on Navy property and secured behind locks. That's why they are going in tomorrow to file the claims and the complaint....so if the same crew comes back to do the other floor, they can get nailed right away. He's guessing that they figured since the deck was empty and half the ship was on leave, that nobody would be around to find out until they were finished with the job and long gone.
(NT) I hope they put the cretans behind bars.
(NT) Keelhauling them first seems appropriate.
That makes me so angry !
Especially as they were crimes against crew members preparing for deployment.
If I may rant some, I have not been thrilled with some of the jobs contracted to the civilian sector, I doubt the money savings are born out. (it was said that civilians could do the jobs cheaper because the military wouldn't have to pay for family housing, etc.)
Recently I have heard statements like, " We can turn over some of the jobs to civilians." Though I am aware that some could be, there are others that I do not that I believe best left to the military. Not applicable to topic, but I also heard, "We could bring some of the Air Force people into those jobs now done by the Army." C'mon.... how much time do they expect to re-train them - support needs and procedures are different!
God forbid they turn over aircraft maintenance to the private sector! Or that of other services that are unique to each.
It sounds like there were more than one breaking those locks. (probably enough to be careful about keeping each individual "take" in the misdemeanor range. Hopefully the company will cooperate, and those criminals can be successfully prosecuted! Destruction of government property, after all!
I am so sorry this happened to Derek and the crew!
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They should just lock up the whole crew
'til someone talks. Whoever took the stuff is a thief and they should hold the rest of the crew as accomplices. It probably would take less than the legitimate 48 hours they could hold them for anyway.
What a dispicable thing for anyone to do.
Maybe as noted elsewhere they can charge whoever and all who knew with destruction of government property as well as thief of the individual items. If the lockers and locks were military issued, it seems they could.
Sadly, it only takes a few to do something, and intimidate the rest it seems. I hope in this case someone will get over the hesitating of being called fink, or such, and report those actually responsible.
Until the guilty are found and punished severely as the law allows, and any who knew punished at least somewhat, hopefully that contractor and crew will not be allowed anything to do with military work.
Sad, so sad.
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Sorry this happened to Derek, Toni.
Someone needs to contact this contractor PRONTO, and if it's not made right yesterday, at the very least PUBLISH who this is, so at least no one else's stuff gets nicked, and at most, the whole business tanks.
#@$@@ &^##* that is BAD !!!
maybe they should call the whole crew back and take them on a "cruise they won't forget"
Maybe reviving the old 'impression' of crew here would be a
Impress these guys to do all the deck scrubbing for the entire deployment, on that ship. Maybe on a 4 hours on 4 hours off shift for 6 months.
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It sounds like it was the employees that stole the stuff,
not their employer. I'll bet the employer can't do much because the employees are unionized. It's the union members who cannot be trusted. It goes on constantly here also where exhibitors in large exhibit halls MUST use union labor, and are then ripped off by them.
Unjustified slam at union members, KP.
Your header and first sentence are correct -- the employees are thieves. Whether or not they're unionized is first of all unknown, and even if true, doesn't justify an unjustified slam at all Union members, any more than a crime committed by a bunch of (name your hated minority here) justifies the assumption that all members of that minority are criminals. This subthread is OVER -- subsequent messages in the same vein will be deleted.
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I speak from experience Dave. It's not that unions are more
inclined to lawlessness, although their track record in that area is not good, it's the employer's inability to select or discipline employees. That's part of what causes this kind of problem. Anyone familiar with what goes on at McCormack Place in Chicago knows the kind of thievery perpetrated by the union workers there. The exhibitors must use them, and cannot control them. The Teamsters are another excellent example of union integrity although that is a case of corrupt leadership. We also have many examples in the political realm where union 'enforcers' are frequently used to silence critics. Remember the guy in the last campaign whose small daughter was forced to watch while her father was humiliated by union thugs?
When people are guaranteed a job, whether they are needed or not, they tend to get carried away by their power. It's the human condition. Does that mean that all union workers are corrupt? Of course not! However, they don't do much to keep their coworkers in line either.
PS: When was the last time you saw ship builders who were
I've had similar experiences...
I worked in a warehouse that was a Teamsters shop. I was absolutely amazed at the abuses. Theft was common. The inmates were definitely running the asylum. I felt sorry for the employer (if you can believe that).
Never got in the union. Would have been set for life if I had.
Well, well, well ...
... here's hoping that you apply this edict to yourself in the future, and we won't see any more unjustified (and none too cleverly disguised) slams at conservatives out of you.
I could find many (too many) more that cast aspersions on conservatives, SUV drivers, smokers (evil cigarette only, MJ OK), gun owners (actually that can also be found in the linked thread), etc.
Drove up car prices
Drove down quality
Made Japan #1
I agree that quality is down!
I bought some Levis and they are wearing out faster than my old jeans. I let them know about it, too. Maybe I should send them another email asking them what steps they have taken, and suggest that they move back to the US from whatever South American country they are making it in.
Sorry this had to happen ...
... hopefully the guilty parties will be rooted out and punished. Meanwhile I hope this crap doesn't dampen the resolve of these great men and women ... Derek of course included!
Rats, guess the censor machine got mine
It said (Ill modify the spelling, here):
Disgusting! I wonder if theres some way to blackbull them?