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The Vote just got cheapened in Maryland

by James Denison / December 29, 2015 7:37 PM PST

Democrats are up to tricks again in this state. Much to my surprise my 16 year old was sent her voting card. Seems in some places in the state 16 year olds can now vote. So, before most have worked their first job, had the govt steal their first pay in taxes, they are supposed to be qualified to vote in this state. Kids still full of mush headed public school education and politically correct lies they've been brainwashed in school with, the Democrats want them marching to the polls to vote back the propaganda that's been poured into their heads, before they are even adults.

I really hope someone challenges this to the higher courts.

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Response
by JP Bill / December 29, 2015 9:14 PM PST
Top Ten Reasons to Lower the Voting Age

The argument that youth “should not vote because they lack the ability to make informed and intelligent decisions is valid only if that standard is applied to all citizens.”9 But yet this standard is not applied to all citizens, only young people. “We do not deprive a senile person of this right, nor do we deprive any of the millions of alcoholics, neurotics, psychotics and assorted fanatics who live outside hospitals of it. We seldom ever prevent those who are hospitalized for mental illness from voting.” 10

Even beyond senile, neurotic, and psychotic adults, regular adults often do not meet the unrealistic standard opponents to youth voting propose. Turn on the Tonight Show one night and see the collection of adult buffoons who can’t tell Jay Leno who the vice-president is, or who have forgotten how many states are in this country. Yet these adults are happily given the right to vote. The fact is, intelligence or maturity is not the basis upon which the right to vote is granted, if that were the case all voters would need to pass a test before voting. Though “…under voting rights jurisprudence, literacy tests are highly suspect (and indeed are banned under federal law), and lack of education or information about election issues is not a basis for withholding the franchise.”11 Youth shouldn’t be held to a stricter standard than adults; lower the voting age.

Furthermore, even the federal government agrees that most youth have the necessary knowledge to vote. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 (42 U.S.C. § 1971((c)) states that: “any person who has not been adjudged an incompetent and who has completed the sixth grade in [. . .] any State or territory, the District of Columbia, or the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico where instruction is carried on predominantly in the English language, possesses sufficient literacy, comprehension, and intelligence to vote in any election.” If a Sixth grade education is deemed adequate knowledge to vote, how can older youth be denied the right to vote?
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that's another thing
by James Denison / December 29, 2015 9:38 PM PST
In reply to: Response

People who can't even remember the year shouldn't be voting. Often it's not them voting but someone using their absentee ballot to vote the way they want, not the way the aged person or even their children would want them to vote. Nursing homes should all have voting representatives in them to insure the person voting is doing himself and is of sufficient mental faculties and knows the candidates running before allowing them to vote.

A person voting should have adequate capacity to know what and who they are actually voting for.

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16 year olds aren't "mature enough" to vote?
by JP Bill / December 29, 2015 9:19 PM PST
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Doesn't this just apply to municipal elections?
by Steven Haninger / December 30, 2015 2:33 AM PST

I would be concerned about lack of uniformity if at state or national level but I would agree that very few High School agers who've taken basic civics classes and whose primary exposure to politics has been media coverage and whatever passes to their handhelds. Fewer and fewer "adults" are, IMO, able to become well informed enough to make critical decisions which will affect future generations. It's the "selfie generation" now that's taking over now and living in the moment is about as much as their minds can handle.

Additionally, I do wonder if political marketing has begun to produce such an immunity to all strategies that new ideas are necessary. Isn't it said that the great majority of people have made up their minds long before election day. Most just go with what their party of choice offers so the millions spent on campaign are only chasing a small percentage of the vote. As well, voter turnout in the US tends to be rather low. This sounds to me like a great number of people are disinterested in or frustrated with our political system even though they may not like the government. So now we have our political marketing gurus just changing a few words around to get the attention of non-participants. These people aren't really disinterested...they're "disenfranchised" and victims of oppression. Convince them of this and you can create a new voting base. With roughly 1/2 the population not turning out for national elections, it doesn't take many of them to change an election outcome.

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As I understand it
by James Denison / December 30, 2015 6:16 PM PST

after reading on it some, they can vote if not challenged at the voting place. If so, and they will be 18 by general election, then they can vote in the primaries. If they aren't challenged, then no problem, go vote. So it seems it's up to the polling place to decide who to challenge and who not to challenge to prove age. This is rife for corruption of our voting process. How many will be challenged in mostly black neighborhoods? None I'm guessing.

Personally I'd like them to make 25 and above the voting age and no military draft can be done under the age of 25, so no one can again argue for 18 yr olds to vote based on that, which is why it was initially lowered from the age of 21. The idea then was they'd been out and working for 3-4 years AFTER completing high school education, so they'd have better understanding of what it took to make a living, maybe even support a wife and first child.

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RE:they can vote if not challenged at the voting place
by JP Bill / December 30, 2015 7:15 PM PST
In reply to: As I understand it

There ya' go...Never mind questioning How many will be challenged in mostly black neighborhoods? None I'm guessing.

How many will be questioned in mostly white neighbourhoods? By members of SE?

Fair and Balanced.

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The world has turned upside down
by Steven Haninger / December 31, 2015 2:27 AM PST
In reply to: As I understand it

As I understand it, military service and the draft was largely designed to avoid certain disruptions in families. Wasn't there something about protecting the last male child in a family from service? Wasn't one design to attempt to use single males as the first choice and, thus, minimize the chance of leaving widows with children to care for? Those are arguments I remember when discussing how such policies were thought out. Perhaps they seemed logical but also unfair. War isn't fair, of course.

As for voting, didn't we learn about "taxation without representation". Teens didn't pay taxes back then. A driver's license is considered a tax. Fuel purchases are taxed. Teens who drive pay taxes. Teens who have jobs pay taxes. Perhaps the old cry has come back to haunt. As well, old polices based on traditional family situations have gone out the window. Teens are producing children...married or not. Yes...the world has been allowed to turn upside down and largely through our own (mis)doing.

Still, I don't agree with trying to justify allowing teens to vote by citing that many adults are equally as incompetent. That argument holds no water...especially when we have those who deliberately go out and seek to enroll criminals, dropouts from society, and persons not legally in the country or truly interested in citizenship.

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