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May 8, 2018 7:36AM PDT

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Re: holocaust denial
May 8, 2018 8:28AM PDT
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_against_Holocaust_denial tells it's a crime in 18 countries, not counting the ones that forbid homicide denial in general.
The USA is not one of that countries, because the first amendment is more powerful.

But "thought police" is quite negative term, in my opinion. And that might be related to your personal opinion about it. So may I ask:
- do you think the holocaust happened, or are you a denier?
- if you think it happened indeed, do you agree with it?
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Irrelevant
May 8, 2018 10:13AM PDT

What I believe about it is without relevance to one's freedom of belief and speech. What I do see from "thought crimes" is those who may have difference of opinion on some facts relating to any particular issue or historical record, should have the same freedom to present their belief on what those facts indicate, or present other facts which might question the validity of government supported history. When I see "thought crimes" in a country it makes me wonder if there's something a government wants to hide instead.

As for the mention of Rothschild Banking System in the article, it's a valid question, even here in the USA. Few realize the power of that banking system over our own Federal Reserve, which isn't actually an arm of our govt, nor is the bank owned by our govt. I personally would like to see the word "Federal" removed from it's name, because it isn't government, but a private bank.

"Allow me to control the issue and the nation's money and I care not who makes its laws!" Amshell Rothschild

https://www.facts-are-facts.com/news/the-federal-reserve-is-privately-owned#.WvHPPcQh1TA

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3619625,00.html

Recent heads of Federal Reserve
Paul Volker
Alan Greenspan
Bernanke
Yellen.

What else do all of them have in common?

How was the Federal Reserve started?

Who was involved?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Warburg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_W._Aldrich#Family_prominence
daughter married into Rockefeller family

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jekyll_Island_Club#Role_in_the_history_of_the_Federal_Reserve

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RE:What I believe about it is without relevance
May 8, 2018 11:42AM PDT

Since you don't want to stand up and be counted...

The phrase "thought police" isn't in the article that you linked to

Your beliefs are irrelevant ..So why put the phrase in your subject line?

RE:Who cares what some old woman, grandmother thinks is true or not?

NO ONE....They care what she SAYS....Think whatever SHE wants...NO ONE CARES...Just don't say it....That's the LAW....

It's NOT the "thought police" It's THE LAW.

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Have I ever told you...
May 8, 2018 5:55PM PDT

....how glad I am you are a Canadian?

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I hear ya' brother....
May 8, 2018 7:23PM PDT

TESTIFY!!!!

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Thanks for the heads up.
May 8, 2018 5:14PM PDT

Now we know who is responsible for the misery under which most of the world lives. No longer need the Bible to tell us. Bill feels good about that of course. He never did like myths.

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Holocaust
May 8, 2018 10:22AM PDT

- do you think the holocaust happened, or are you a denier?


I don't care for the term, it seems to imply that Jews were the ones targeted and everyone else who were victims were somehow less. I do not deny it happened, but I do question the numbers submitted, especially since the number 6 million was postulated on even before the camps began, by the Jewish literature of the day. I also feel too much attention to Holocaust tends to ignore the greater losses of life suffered by both Germans and Russians in the war. Death is death, whether it happened on a battlefield, or in a camp. The best video I've seen detailing the dead of WW2 is this one.


- if you think it happened indeed, do you agree with it?

Agree with what? Death? Whether Jewish, German, Russian, American, and those from other countries and ethnic backgrounds who died in war or camps are equal in value to me. No one group has a superior claim on what's come to be called The Holocaust.
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Someone once said,
May 8, 2018 5:11PM PDT

"The right to press send ends at the other person's inbox", or something. IOW free speech that does harm changes the picture of "freedom".
Famously, America has Sandy Hook deniers, protected somewhat by the Constitution. No harm done? I agree with the parents of the six and seven year olds who died: The psychological harm is immeasurable by those without the experience. The parents alone are qualified to judge, if judgment is needed.
Some years ago I was witnessing about Jehovah's kingdom and came across an elderly German woman who was a war orphan. [One parent died of a heart attack, the other from Allied bombs.]
I sympathized with her and offered God's government as an alternative to man's. That got her started on justifying the National Socialist system, although she had no more than a child's inderstanding of it. Two excerpts:
'Hitler was misled, so he didn't know what was going on in the camps. Not his fault.' [Did you notice she didn't deny it?]
'Here's how bad the Jews were. They would come to the front door peddling junk, repeatedly. [Sounds like terrorists, doesnt it?] Finally, after being told Don't come to my door again! they would leave - and come back next day to the back door!'
Some would say the Nazi Grandma incident takes away their free speech right to deny "six million" dead; suppresses full and fair discussion of the Holocaust. Perhaps. There are many photographs out there of camp "liberations", with thousands of bodies and more thousands of emaciated survivors. Thousands not enough for you?
My orphaned householder's fake news about her country may never be corrected, but society can take steps to suppress its promulgation. For its own safety.
I've said before that we have no "right" to free speech. Not from God, not from a piece of paper. We do have the ability to speak against an idea or a regime. That ability ends when the truncheon smashes our teeth.
The world we live in is going from bad to worse, evidenced by newspaper ownership in Kampuchea [Cambodia], journalists' murders in Mexico, and other incidents.
I can leave you with this example of "freedom of thought":
https://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/by-region/russia/campaign-of-terror-for-jehovahs-witnesses/
How would you handle it?
Better: How _will_ you handle it?

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Old German women
May 9, 2018 5:06AM PDT
"That got her started on justifying the National Socialist system, although she had no more than a child's inderstanding of it. Two excerpts:
'Hitler was misled, so he didn't know what was going on in the camps. Not his fault.' [Did you notice she didn't deny it?]"


Actually, even Jews have tried to find that "smoking gun" document that would indicate Hitler by the time of the "Final Solution" was aware of it, since it came along at the Wansee Conference run by Himmler and Heidrich, and Hitler occupied with the war, not in attendence. The plan before was to ship them all into Russia where the Bolsheviks (Duma was 30% Jewish while Lenin was alive) were.

In Germany the "international" movement started under Marxism, brought about by Mensheviks and Bolsheviks, which murdered the royal family, burned Orthodox churches, closed many others, was active with one main group being Jewish controlled Spartacist Group. They tried to violently overthrow the German govt, just like happened in Russia.

The closest thing in America today would be AntiFa, maybe also if they aligned with BLM, except the ones in Germany were even more violent than what we've seen yet in America..

Is it any wonder after what happened in Russia, and what was being attempted in Germany, that the ethnic Germans would then look to someone like Hitler to stand against these threatening forces? Who created Hitler? The Bolsheviks, Mensheviks, Marxists, Spartacists, and what had already been observed done by such in Russia.

At the time, Jews were about half a million in Germany, pre-war. In Poland there were about 3.5 million. Of course the Bolsheviks and Marxists were also working there to accomplish the same as in Russia.

So, if you are German, and after WW1, paying "reparations", and seeing all this being aimed at Germany, what sort of feelings did that engender toward those pushing this new Marxist ideology, and the resultant Communism?

Although it's popular today to just look at the Holocaust, focus mostly on what happened to the Jews, and place all blame on the Nazi regime, what is then left untold are the steps that lead up to it all in the first place.

We who know the Bible also know all this was foretold.

I Thessalonians chapter 2
14 - For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

Deuteronomy chapter 4
25When thou shalt beget children, and children's children, and ye shall have remained long in the land, and shall corrupt yourselves, and make a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, and shall do evil in the sight of the LORD thy God, to provoke him to anger: 26I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed. 27And the LORD shall scatter you among the nations, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you.

Deuteronomy chapter 28
64And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone. 65And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind: 66And thy life shall hang in doubt before thee; and thou shalt fear day and night, and shalt have none assurance of thy life: 67In the morning thou shalt say, Would God it were even! and at even thou shalt say, Would God it were morning! for the fear of thine heart wherewith thou shalt fear, and for the sight of thine eyes which thou shalt see.
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The usual jamesian response.
May 9, 2018 5:24PM PDT

For your own protection, I gave you a real-life - current history - example of Nazism and asked you relevant questions. No answer. So your answer to my questions will be given to someone else in future, when tribulation comes upon "the entire inhabited earth". It will be the same as those given in 1933. Rev 3:10; 12:9.
Your history is faulty, although I now see why you object to "six million". That's fake news IYO, but we don't know how many you find objectionable. Not mere thousands, it seems. Anyway, they had it coming, right?
"Hitler didn't know." He said, and proved, he was the supreme leader. Of good, patriotic, Catholic and Lutheran Germans.* Happened on his watch, which is enough to convict Trump and Obama, according to the reasoning constantly on display here. He knew.
You always weaken your case when you attempt to use the Bible.
> KJV: 20,000 errors, remember?
> You [want to] have all Jews destroyed. It's in your Bible, you say. What about the prophesied remnant of Israel, surviving down to this day? Gen 45:7; 1Ki 19:31; Ezra 9:14,15; Isa 10:20-23. That last happened in 70 C.E., prophesied in 33C.E. MT 23:37-39.
No more Jewish nation? Certainly not the present one just north of Egypt. That one chose the wrong leader. Mic 4:7; 7:18. Romans ch. 9 is a long read, and full of legal foundations of the new, spiritual Israel; most won't bother. 9:27-29 will have to do for those. Ro 11:1-6 is useful, too. Romans was written by Paul, our expert tutor in the Law as it has meaning for Christians.
No more Israel of Moses or of the Law. It is now the Israel of Jehovah. Gal 6:16.
There were once folks like you, with their surface knowledge of scripture. Because of knowing only what you quoted they could justify 'jumping in to help God destroy his enemies', guessing that he wasn't capable of it on his own. At least twice, true history tells us. Once in 1095 in France and again in 1933 in Germany. Now reappearing there.
You're ready to help right now, aren't you?

*Not all, though. https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/mobile/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005394

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your hatred of all things not WatchTower doctrine
May 9, 2018 7:30PM PDT

...is showing again.

You always weaken your case when you attempt to use the Bible.

For those who write their own twisted version of the Bible, I'm not surprised you'd object to real Bible teaching.

"You [want to] have all Jews destroyed. It's in your Bible, you say. What about the prophesied remnant of Israel, surviving down to this day? "

You blaming me for pointing out what God said, or blaming God? Will you now judge Him too?! Of course a remnant always remains, because it's part of His plan. What does the word "remnant" mean to you?

You did your usual of ignoring relevant facts of the day, and refusing understanding, as usual, such as the events leading up to what happened; The Bolsheviks, The Mensheviks, The Marxist, The Reds, The murder of Russian ruler and family, The export of Marxism by Spartacists to Germany, The ComIntern, Lenin, Trotsky, The Duma, The crushing reparations against the people by Europe.

Ignore the truth, stay in your own JW deception, and then will come true this warning and words of Jesus, concerning such as the JW.

"15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
(Matthew 7)

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The source for the bulk of your information
May 9, 2018 10:41PM PDT

is a 110% Jewish site, dedicated to religious purity - as are we. Therefore their feelings about us also apply to you, or would if you were part of a group aligning itself with Jehovah, "the only true God", as his son Jesus called him. In your Bible. John 17:3. Write to them, explaining that they should worship your trinity. Let me know how that turns out.
Because we do so align ourselves with the only One qualified to rule his creation, it is true that, to quote them, "Of all modern religions, the group which has experienced the most conflicts from citizens of their own country are members of the modern sect known today as the 'Jehovah’s Witnesses.'(1) Noted sociologist, Seymour M. Lipset concluded from his study of attitudes towards minorities that the 'Jehovah’s Witnesses' were among the most disliked of all religious minorities he researched - the group average showed that Americans disliked them more than even the most hated ethnic minorities."
Thos was prophesied by Jesus , ss you know.

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Jesus, though, never had to work with a stupidphone.
May 9, 2018 11:29PM PDT

In fact, this reply belongs to your other post to me "How do the Jews feel about JW and Watch Tower?", with the link to http://yadlachim.org/?CategoryID=203&ArticleID=577
To continue.
Jesus prophesied this universal hatred in detail, as you know. If we are subject to it, then? Mt 5:11; 10:22.
Like their Gentile counterparts of the alt-right, they favor half-truths and outright lies, even when five minutes' research would have uncovered the truth. Which would not fit their agenda. The "anti-semitic" statements they ascribe to 'our literature - down to this day' - are quotes or paraphrases from any NT edition of the Bible, including yours. As you know. The OT also has the prophecy of the replacement _by Jehovah_ of the corrupt religion of the Jews of Jesus' day with the pure religion of Christianity, at Jer 31:31-37. As you have been shown before by me.
The Holocaust Museum page I directed you to is full of documentation: names, dates, places of Witnesses who did in fact inhabit the same camps as the ones the Nazis used for their Final Solution. Real history, of the kind that is now being labeled "fake news".

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How do the Jews feel about JW and Watch Tower?
May 9, 2018 8:01PM PDT
http://yadlachim.org/?CategoryID=203&ArticleID=577

" For example thus writes Dr. David Allen Lewis, a well-known Christian author and lecturer: “Replacement theology is inconsistent. It places all the curses of the Old Testament on the heads of Jews of today, and transfers all the blessings to the “new Israel”, the church. Replacement doctrines are theological anti-Semitism... (emphasis in the original).
These doctrines make is easier for the blatant, active anti-Semites to persecute and kill the Jews. The doctrines of replacement and contempt led directly to the Holocaust.” ('Christians and Israel' pp. 10-11) But 'Jehovah’s Witnesses' today continue to espouse these anti-Semitic doctrines with even greater fervor.
Rutherford in his book 'Enemies' writes about Jews “ultra-selfish men called 'Jews' who look only for personal gain.”
In the same book he writes that the Jews “practice religion, of which the Devil is the author.” In another book he again writes about the Jews: “Be it known once and for all that those profiteering, conscienceless, selfish men who call themselves Jews, and who control the greater portion of the finances of the world and the business of the world...”
Speaking at 'Bible Students' convention in Winnipeg, Manitoba in the early 1920’s, Rutherford described a Jew as “the hooked-nosed, stooped-shouldered little individual who stands on the street corner trying to gyp you out of every nickel you’ve got.” We see here clear examples of vulgar and primitive anti-Semitism. In yet another book he wrote that Jews lost favor with God when they murdered Jesus.
Nowadays 'Jehovah’s Witnesses' continue to disseminate huge amounts of anti-Seminic materials. As a matter of fact, they’re one of the biggest distributors of hate literature in human history."


See anything of yourself in this? Anyone in this forum can.

"Anyone coming in contact with 'Jehovah’s Witnesses' will sooner or later be reminded of how terribly they suffered in Nazi Germany. In correspondence with government officials, journalists, etc., often totally out of context and unrelated to the subject discussed, it will be mentioned again and again. Apparently it is regarded as some sort of magic argument, which will immediately erase all the evil the sect has committed and open all the doors for them."

Rudolph Hess admired them at least;

"Rudolf Hess, commandant of Auschwitz, in his book of memoirs 'The Commandant of Auschwitz Testifies' describes the faith and behavior of several female members of 'Jehovah’s Witnesses', who worked as faithful servants of SS officers in Auschwitz:
“The strange thing was that all of them were convinced that causing suffering to the Jews and killing them was justified, because their ancestors betrayed God.”(54)"


Read it all on that page. Yep, if you stay with Watch Tower, Jesus will say "I never knew you".

Don't forget those letters they sent to Hitler, thanking him.
http://www.bible.ca/jw-hitler.htm
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Alex Jones of Info Wars fame...
May 9, 2018 4:57AM PDT

Alex Jones is also on a "Thought Police" rant lately.....

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since you seem to follow him
May 9, 2018 5:42AM PDT

...maybe you can link to what you alluded?

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Follow?
May 9, 2018 6:01AM PDT

I was watching another news network...they had a guest on there talking about Kanye West( he's in the news lately) and his "thoughts"...and she mentioned that Alex Jones had invited Kanye to be on HIS show...

So just Google "thought police Alex Jones"

I don't follow Alex Jones, it's annoying just listening to him...with his loud raspy voice...never mind the garbage he spews...

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Rules
May 9, 2018 7:01AM PDT

Every country makes their own rules.
If you break those rules you are subject to the punishment.
It does not matter if you are 29 or 89.
It does not matter what I think about some other country's rules.

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would it have mattered....
May 9, 2018 11:57AM PDT

....in the 30-40's ??? Probably not.

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RE:would it have mattered....
May 9, 2018 12:56PM PDT

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