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by Chorus-Line A1-QMS / June 20, 2004 2:22 PM PDT
Bin Laden Hunt Hurt by U.S. Disrespect of Afghans, Experts Say


By disrespecting Pashtun tribal culture in Afghanistan, the United States may have failed to gain a vital ally in its search for al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, according to experts, including National Geographic Adventure magazine's Robert Young Pelton.
On a recent trip to Afghanistan, Robert Young Pelton went to visit a Pashtun tribal elder with whom he had spent time before.

This time the intrepid adventurer and author of The World's Most Dangerous Places brought with him a U.S. undercover military contractor stationed in Afghanistan to hunt for Osama bin Laden and other fugitives.

[url=http://news.nationalgeographic.com//news/2004/03/0330_040330_peltoninterview.html#main"If bin Laden is a criminal, and he killed thousands of people, why do we need to pay someone 50 million dollars to turn him in?" Pelton asked. "To the Pashtuns, that's an insult."

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The Pustoonis
by Chorus-Line A1-QMS / June 20, 2004 4:11 PM PDT
The Pushtuns are the largest ethnic group in Afghanistan, comprising at least 40 percent of the country's population.

Little is known about the Pushtun people before the 15th century, except that these Afghans were tough and fierce people by nature. They were greatly feared and respected in the region. Today, their undying loyalty to their tribe and independence defines them as a people.

"I am a Pushtun first, a Muslim second, and an Afghan third," states General Sayed Agha, a village elder of Khewa, a typical Pushtun village in eastern Afghanistan. "I live by my tribe's code, my children live by this code, and so will my grandchildren and future generations."


The General explains with great pride that Pushtuns are different from other tribes. Pushtuns can be identified by three major traits: their language (Pashto); their lineage (they consider themselves descended from one founding ancestor); and their code of honor, called pushtunwali. It is a legal and moral code covering issues of honor (namuz), solidarity (nang), hospitality (melmastai), and shame and revenge (badal). "For a Pushtun, the defense of namuz, even unto death, is required," says the General.

This fierce loyalty to their tribe and the pushtunwali often conflicts with the rules set forth in Islam, but whenever the two disagree, tradition of the tribe wins. Thus, they remain Pushtuns above all else.

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Very educational!
by Charlie Thunell PL&T / June 20, 2004 8:09 PM PDT

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I also think that this Administration has succeeded to turn their friends away. Right after 9/11 almost the entire world was mourning with us. Now how many are on our side? Among the Arab countries there ain't many. The Administration has managed to turn them away by its so called war on terror which has become more of a war for terror...
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Just curious...
by J. Vega / June 20, 2004 9:31 PM PDT

Just curious, why did you use quotation marks in the link quote, but not the first two paragraphs?

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Geeeeeeez!
by Charlie Thunell PL&T / June 20, 2004 9:44 PM PDT
In reply to: Just curious...

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Is that of any importance at all J? If CL missed the quotations, so what? It's not a term paper that is being written! At least CL linked to the article which should make it clear to you that it was a quote.
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You read my mind CT :)
by Chorus-Line A1-QMS / June 20, 2004 10:01 PM PDT
In reply to: Geeeeeeez!

You know it is quite true *sometimes* that a person can be intelligent but not necessarily smart nor possess the wisdom. Too often, too soon, *some* wants an easy quick fix to their questions and yet the answers are right before their eyes. I wonder sometimes...I really do...

It is better to be ignorant because you have the ability to learn but to be obtuse ----> there ain't any medicine for it.

You just got to be patient *sometimes*.

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You just got to be patient *sometimes*.
by Chorus-Line A1-QMS / June 20, 2004 10:05 PM PDT
In reply to: You read my mind CT :)

I have to be. Happy

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(NT) (NT) And that's a virtue...
by Charlie Thunell PL&T / June 20, 2004 10:23 PM PDT
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See, Edward...
by J. Vega / June 20, 2004 10:46 PM PDT
In reply to: You read my mind CT :)

Edward, see how fun language can be, as I mentioned to you in another thread? Oh BTW, Edward needless to once you show something you forever "blow" that particular example, as "dilution" takes place Somewhatlike the tossing out of chaff/window with radar in WWII. It only works is you don't point it out, and just quitely notice its use, especially in the past before you mentioned that particular thing.
Words are a fun thing to study.

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Did we have an agreement?
by Charlie Thunell PL&T / June 20, 2004 11:32 PM PDT
In reply to: See, Edward...

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Where has Chorus-Line asked to be called Edward? I thought there was an agreement among the fellow members to call each other what we post under...
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