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The 'Protocols,' 21st century style

May 26, 2006 2:05AM PDT

Excuse me if I feel differently about the British than most of you, but I don't know what is their 'problem' with Jews and Israel. Admittedly, the following article represents only a minority viewpoint, but I am sure if you take a poll within the country, a majority (in my opinion) will express negative views towards Jews and Israel. I am also sure a majority of the British are against the USA when it comes to International diplomacy, be it Iran, Iraq, Israel, Palestinians, etc. When we refer to them as ''our allies'' I wonder how much more allies they are than say Egypt and Saudi Arabia?


Currently, another academic boycott of Israel is being organized in Britain. The boycott movement does not represent all British lecturers and intellectuals. The organizers are not a majority but clearly rather a small minority. However, there are no initiatives for boycotts against other countries: not against Iran, which is denying the Holocaust and threatening to destroy Israel; not against Sudan, which is committing genocide in Darfur; not against Saudi Arabia, where people are executed for religious infractions, and not against China, which is carrying out oppression in Tibet and Shenzhen...........
Anti-Semitic tones are also not illegitimate. When it comes to ''the Zionists,'' often the reference is not just to the Israelis but also to the Jews (especially the Jews in the United States), since everyone knows about their control of the Pentagon, Congress and the White House and everyone knows that the Jews serve Israel. And thus Israel controls the Jews of the United States, the Jews of the United States control the policy of the United States and the United States controls the world. ''The Protocols of the Elders of Zion,'' 21st-century style. I have heard about ''the Foxmans'' who want to control Europe and about ''the Schwartzes'' who bribe members of Congress.............The discussion with the Syrian ambassador was also relaxed and friendly. No one showed any interest in the occupation in Lebanon, in the torture dungeons or in free elections in Syria. They invited the Saudi Arabian ambassador for a formal speech the day after the press reported on a student who was beheaded in Jedda.


(the underline is my emphasis)

Read the full article here

Could it be the British never recovered from the loss of the 'Great British Empire' in mandate Palestine to a bunch of Jews?

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(NT) (NT) very good possibility
May 26, 2006 2:25AM PDT
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The British attitude has long been split, one half being
May 26, 2006 10:12AM PDT

pro-Zionist (Winston Churchill for example), the other half pro-Arab Sir John Bagot Glubb, or Glubb Pasha lead the Arab Legion, the best organized Arab fighting force, in Jordan for decades, I believe he commanded it during the 1947 war, and was the reason Israel only captured a narrow corridor to Jerusalem instead of a wide swath. Jonah Jones may know more about this than I. The British also carried out anti-Communist wars in Aden for years in support of the royal family there.

Having lived in Britain for 4 years I found their concept of free speech much broader than that in the United States or in Canada. Or they have no concept of Political Correctness. Things were said there about race, and about religion, that made me want to cross my legs. In some senses Britain is still in the 50's about attitudes and speech. Men and women slag one another and both assume that they are the superior sex, none of that equality lark in Britain, "What do you think we are Swedish?"

Same is true of statements on race and religion, the curious thing is that people don't seem to take extreme offence. Its just hard for North American sensibilities to get used to.

Rob

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Glubb Pasha in 1948
May 28, 2006 8:46PM PDT

The heaviest fighting would occur in Jerusalem and on the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv road, between Transjordan's Arab Legion and the Israeli forces. Abdullah ordered Glubb Pasha, the commander of the Transjordanian Arab Legion, to enter Jerusalem on May 17, and heavy house-to-house fighting occurred between May 19 and May 28, with the Arab Legion succeeding in expelling Israeli forces from the Arab quarters of Jerusalem as well as the Jewish Quarter of the Old City. All the Jewish inhabitants of the Old City were expelled by the Jordanians.

from wikipedia


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Prof Neuberger needs to be a little more rigorous about
May 28, 2006 6:39PM PDT

his analogy. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion was a fabrication by the Czarist secret Police in the 19th Century to justify Anti-Semitic arrests and pogroms. It was made up of lies and outlined hideous acts and conspiracies that never occurred or were in any way attributable to the Jewish people, and it was directed at Jews in Russia.

British academic Anti-Semitism is merely a fashionable posture for those trendy academics and others who see the Palestinians as oppressed by the Jews (they're not, they were kept in those camps by other Arabs until Israel over ran the camps in Gaza in the 6 Day war), and somehow see the return to Israel movement as colonialism. Granted they are attempting to re occupy land they were expelled from nearly 2000 years ago, but WW2 is a fact that should not be glossed over by these poseurs. They have no effect so far as I can tell on larger British opinion, or on governmental action so they may with caution be consigned to the dustbin of history.

I frankly find them revolting David Irving-like creatures who should have a big dose of Arab history and behaviour shoved down their throat until they come to their senses. But they do over all constitute a minority opinion in Britain at large, and will in all likelihood stay that way.

Rob