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"The power to declare war, including the power of judging

May 29, 2006 10:32PM PDT
the causes of war, is fully and exclusively vested in the legislature."
-- James Madison


Discuss, with pertinent citations.

Rob

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The president can deploy troops
May 29, 2006 11:22PM PDT

And say we are in a war with terror. When the congress pays for it, they are in effect rubber stamping it.

Neither presidents nor Congress have ever acted under the belief that the Constitution requires a declaration of war before the U.S. can engage in military hostilities abroad. Although this nation has used force abroad more than 100 times, it has declared war only five times: the War of 1812, the Mexican-American and Spanish-American Wars, and World Wars I and II. Without declarations of war or any other congressional authorization, presidents have sent troops to fight Chinese Communists in Korea, to remove Manuel Noriega from power in Panama and to prevent human rights disasters in the Balkans. Other conflicts, such as the Persian Gulf War, received "authorization" from Congress but not declarations of war.

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Notice any wars missing here?
May 30, 2006 1:20AM PDT
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Thanks Evie, much appreciated. Perhaps because schoolwork,
Jun 1, 2006 7:44PM PDT

ill-health, and ultimately. moving country intervened I had no knowledge (or retained no knowledge) of the 1973 Act and appreciate knowing about it now, much as I dislike it from the little I know about it. I'm going to have to learn much more about it. It seems to take care of my complaints.

Rob

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Grenada not on that chart...
Jun 1, 2006 10:37PM PDT

Maybe too small to count according to some, but my rule of thumb is "if they make a movie about it, it's a war".

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good observation
Jun 1, 2006 11:43PM PDT

your quote made me grin.

and if it is not a war, with good pr, it will be.

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here
Jun 1, 2006 9:02PM PDT
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/terroristattack/joint-resolution_9-14.html

"a) IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons."

Congress declared war